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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I will move on to questions from Pam Duncan-Glancy in a moment, but first, Mr Savege, you said in response to Mr Rennie—this was quite a stark warning—that the bill could “take us backwards”. However, in the SOLACE submission, you said that you agree with the overall ambitions of the bill. How can you agree with something that you think could be a backwards step?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

That is what I am asking. Is it possible, based on the framework, for the bill to be improved? Advocacy is a strong element of what is in the bill, and others are saying that it needs to be strengthened even further. I am just worried that you think that the bill could take us backwards.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

In response to Mr Kidd, Ms Whitelock and Mr Savege, you both said that the Government could have engaged with you more. This is a team process, particularly in relation to the Promise. Do you feel snubbed because the Government did not come to you? Why did it not? On a bill of such importance, you are not the first witnesses to tell us that there was no Government outreach. Do you feel snubbed? If so, why?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

When the report mentions that plans lack detail and direction, and that greater pace and momentum are needed, where does the lack of those qualities come from? Is it from individual local authorities? Is it IJBs? Is it the Government? Those are criticisms, and I just want to know who is to blame here.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Why is that still work in progress when we are midway through the 10-year period? Did no one think, in 2020, that they should set up a system to track progress and ensure that they would meet the 2030 target, instead of still trying to come up with a system at this mid-point?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

On that final point, the committee met a number of people last night. It was an enlightening session. I certainly picked up on a frustration that things have dragged on for too long, although I do not want to go as far as to say that there is frustration here this morning.

You have all said that you welcome the report, but I am not sure that we should be welcoming it, because it is quite a damning report and it follows hot on the heels of the Promise oversight board’s report in February. These reports regularly say that we are not doing enough, we are not moving fast enough and there is no clear direction. Should we really be welcoming the report, or should we be worried about it? Mr Savege, I see that you want to come back in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I call Willie Rennie.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

That concludes our deliberations on the bill for today. I thank the witnesses for their time, their answers to our questions and their evidence. It is very much appreciated.

That concludes the public part of our proceedings, and we will now move into private to consider our final agenda item.

12:19 Meeting continued in private until 12:35.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Has Aberdeenshire Council had experience of wanting some of that money but being unable to get it because of the complexities and the bureaucracy surrounding the fund?