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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

So, is Professor Gillies wrong in her assumption?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You have already blamed Mr Fotheringham for that, so you are reiterating that. That is fine.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

He will, we hope, answer that tomorrow. However, that is the reason why you, as chair of the court, did it—because the former principal was telling you that he could provide that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I am sorry, but how could any director of finance not remember a principal telling the university and the wider public that the university was moving into a surplus position when you have just told us that it was clear then that it was not? That was the total opposite of what you are telling us that you believed, but you sat on your hands and claim not to have heard the principal saying that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

—and it is very clear that a breach of the covenant, whether tested or not, is reportable to the SFC. Therefore, the point that you just made does not even matter.

Mr Fotheringham, how could a director of finance not know? I put to you the same point that I put to Dr McGeorge. When you were trying to work with the bank to stop the breach happening, or to prevent its implications, did you not pull a file or carry out a Google search to see what a breach means for a university?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Why not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

The Gillies report says a couple of times:

“It is not known whether the DoF was aware of the breach sooner than 4 October”.

As director of finance, were you aware of the breach sooner than 4 October?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

This gets worse. So, it just so happened that you were meeting with the bank.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

To prepare for that meeting, you were going to ask the bank not to take the matter further, and not to make it a breach. You we looking for mitigation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Before you sent the email, you picked up the phone to the principal and said—