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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

It is helpful that you mention those various titles. First, I hope that the person who was strong enough to outline what happened to them 10 years ago takes some encouragement from the fact that, under probing, you have been able to recollect that. It matches a pattern of behaviour that Gillies reported.

You have mentioned a number of roles to try to defend how you have acted as a leader. In the four years when you were principal, the following left the University of Dundee senior management: four directors of people, three directors of finance, three directors of external relations, three directors of strategy and four chiefs of staff in the principal’s office. At any time when those 17 people were separately leaving the University of Dundee, did you ever think that the problem was not the individuals who left but the one that remained—you?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

We do, yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You have blamed other people.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

From this side of the table, you are ducking responsibility and blaming other people.

We have a lot to get through, so I will bring in Joe FitzPatrick.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Good morning and welcome to the 23rd meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. We have apologies from George Adam.

The first item on our agenda is an evidence session on the financial situation at the University of Dundee. I welcome Professor Iain Gillespie, former principal of the University of Dundee. Professor Gillespie, we will get straight into questions, if that is okay.

The Gillies report was damning, and it was particularly scathing about you as an individual: your leadership, your management, and your entire time at the University of Dundee.

What do you say in response to that report, and what do you say to the staff who have lost their jobs, the staff whose jobs are under threat and the students whose studies have been disrupted because of the way that you managed the university for so many years?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Why, then, did you want to send her to North America to tap into that market?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You say that it was incorrect, but you said it in full knowledge, as the Gillies report tells us, that

“the Principal was aware that there was an £8m ‘hole’ in the FY24 budget.”

It was a lie.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

The report says that, at the time,

“the Principal was aware that there was an £8m ‘hole’ in the FY24 budget.”

However, at the same time, you were telling the entire university that it was

“moving into a surplus after a decade of financial deficits”.

You may say that that is incorrect. However, if you said that—which was clearly incorrect—in the knowledge that there was an £8 million deficit, I believe that you lied to the university and that you were painting a rosy picture that all was well in the university, which is one of the characteristics that you have been criticised for in the Gillies report.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

No—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

To be very clear, you spoke about that as a group, as a team and as an organisation, but the buck stops with you. Do you accept that you are ultimately responsible?