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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

The auditors certainly understood, because it took them days to reject what you said.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You were not there to do that. The financial statement had already been written and printed off, and you were scribbling all over it to make it seem more positive and to make it look as though you were running a university that was profitable and doing well, when you were not.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

It is good to get on the record the fact that you relied mainly on them, because, overnight, we were provided with information from a current member of the court. They apologised for getting the document to us so late, but it had just come into their hands.

The document contains your handwritten amendments to the financial statements of 2023-24—I have them here in front of me. That makes me query why you were getting so involved. Why were you making handwritten amendments to the financial statements, given that you have just told us, seconds ago, that you relied so heavily on the finance director and the team around the finance director?

I will elaborate. There is a sentence in the statement that says that there was an

“overall adverse impact resulting in an operational deficit”.

That is what was written but, in your handwritten note, you wanted that changed to say that there was a “small operational deficit”.

Another element says that the university’s 2024 financial performance was “adverse to budget”. Your handwritten note wanted that changed to say that the university’s financial performance was

“comparatively strong compared to much of the sector”,

in what had been a turbulent year, but, nonetheless, it was adverse to the budget.

You do not have training and you rely heavily on your finance team, but you wanted to paint a brighter picture by changing the statement. The auditor rejected it—your handwritten amendments did not pass muster.

Why were you trying to do that? To go back to what Pamela Gillies said about your character, you always tried to present too bright a picture.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes. Did you write handwritten notes on much of the financial—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You did, because they did not appear.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

That is not the view from this side, anyway. You have—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You have had to be challenged a few times; you have had to update your evidence.

Let us get back to some of the other issues. I turn to the Gillies report. Do you know how many times it says that the principal could have been aware, should have been aware or was aware? How many times is that sentence repeated in the Gillies report?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

A dozen times. I counted it—it did not take me long. I would have thought that, if I was the principal and the report was largely about my leadership, I would look to see how many times a phrase like that was included. Do you just not care?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Did Peter Fotheringham disobey you?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

We are two and a half hours into our committee meeting. Other members are now going to come in so that everyone has a chance to speak

However, I am sat here listening to you and looking at you, Mr Gillespie, and something has just come to me. What is your strategy today? What did you come in here to achieve, and do you think that you are achieving, and will achieve, it?

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