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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

It is a provision in the bill.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

You were able to do that on a number of other aspects of the bill but now, in an area that has caused a significant amount of debate, we have a consultation that closed less than a month ago. We are looking at the issue to enable the Parliament to scrutinise what is in the bill. The response that we get from you, as the minister, is that we will get more information on that in future because a consultation has just closed. I cannot understand why that consultation could not have taken place prior to the bill being introduced, so that you could inform the development of the bill and in particular our scrutiny of it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Okay, I am just checking, because I think that this is probably a good point to take a break.

10:52 Meeting suspended.  

11:06 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Is it news to you that COSLA said that it was ready and willing to engage, but was not engaged on the content of the financial memorandum?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

I know that it does, but it causes us significant problems that affect not just our committee but the Finance and Public Administration Committee. Real and strong concerns have been raised about a number of Government and non-Government bills. I experienced that myself.

The Government is continually criticised about the quality of financial memorandums. I find it really disappointing that, as minister, you have accepted figures that, as was pointed out earlier, are more than 10 years old. You are now looking for alternatives, but we needed those when the bill was introduced. You knew what was in the financial memorandum when you submitted it, so why did you and your officials not highlight those concerns at the time? Why are we now coming to our stage 1 report, and a vote in Parliament in a number of weeks, when work is still being done on the financial memorandum because you accept that it is deficient?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

The COSLA quote is from its written submission, which you and the minister have read. Did reading it not raise alarm bells?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Are you saying that what I have read out is incorrect?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

That concludes questions from committee members. Minister, I say as politely but as strongly as possible that, as I think you know and your officials have accepted, we now have a very short timeframe in which to produce our report. You committed to write to the committee on a number of things. If that can be done in days rather than weeks, we will be able to include that information in our report. If it takes too long, the committee will be unable to consider that. I understand that you have time pressures and that this is not the only thing that you and your officials are working on, but I make that plea, as respectfully as possible. That would certainly help the committee.

I thank the minister and her officials for their time. The committee will now move into private session.

12:58 Meeting continued in private until 13:45.