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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I think that we would be in a very strange situation if a minister had given a commitment to a committee of this Parliament that she is happy to give a statement for that not to be accepted. That commitment is very welcome.

We have gone over time. I appreciate your time, minister, and that of your officials. I will briefly suspend to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

09:36 Meeting suspended.  

09:38 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Could that have been resolved if there had been better discussion and deliberation beforehand? You suggest that there was insufficient consultation prior the bill’s introduction.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much—that is extremely helpful.

Ms Duncan and Mr McKinlay, I understand that there are positives, and please feel free to speak about those if you want to. However, I want to pick up on some of the points that you made in your submission. You said that

“this Bill as currently drafted does not fulfil the vision of the Independent Care Review when it concluded in 2020”.

You also spoke about a lack of engagement. I have particular concern about the part of your submission that said

“Concerns have been raised about the process to develop this Bill”,

and that there was an

“absence of engagement before it was laid in June.”

That is quite damning of a Government that has known that the bill was coming.

I would have expected and assumed that there would be pretty good engagement prior to the bill’s introduction. However, you suggested that that was not the case, Ms Duncan.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Good morning and welcome to the 24th meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee.

Our first agenda item is a declaration of interests. I welcome Paul McLennan, who is replacing our colleague Joe FitzPatrick.?On behalf of the committee, I thank Mr FitzPatrick for his contribution to our work.

Because this is Mr McLennan’s first meeting as a committee member, I invite him to declare any relevant interests.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 3 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Excellent. Thank you very much. That concludes the short public part of our proceedings, and the committee will now move into private session to consider its other agenda items.

09:25 Meeting continued in private until 11:53.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

So, you travelled business class to all those destinations.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Why were those papers produced in draft but not provided to the membership of that group?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

This is extraordinary. You just said that you first knew that £40 million had been blown and was no longer ring fenced on the day of the meeting in which you told the court about the £35 million to £40 million shortfall. That morning, you woke up thinking that you would go to court and tell them everything was fine. Between waking up and going to court, you found out that you had lost £40 million. Is that your evidence? That is not credible.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 26 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Having read the entire report and everything that has been written about this, and having listened to staff, students and whistleblowers who have revealed some of the graphic details of what went on, I am led to only two final conclusions: you were either incompetent or corrupt. Which was it?