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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

There must be only two or, potentially, three Cabinet meetings. Have you not been invited to present a paper to Cabinet yet?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

We will come to Ms McKerron in a minute.

Are you saying that you cannot because you are not allowed to, or that you will not? I am not asking what your decision will be, although I would like you to tell us, if you will. I simply want to know when the Cabinet is going to discuss this.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you know when, but you cannot tell the committee, or do you not know when?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I think that you can. I think that being called before a committee gives you the opportunity to do that, and that is why members are asking these questions.

If we are not going to get an answer, other members will want to come in. Before they do so, I will ask briefly about the concerns that were raised last night about the undemocratic nature of the potential decision not to lodge a financial resolution. Do you understand the gravity of the decision that you would be taking not to lodge a financial resolution? It would be the first time in the history of devolution that the Government has sought to strike down a bill using that procedure, rather than listening to the will of Parliament, which overwhelmingly supported the bill at stage 1.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I know, but it will effectively be done.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

So it cannot inform your decision. You will not have those numbers.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

But nothing in the bill stops that. The bill provides a universal opportunity for people to be given the chance to go on these trips, but there is no mandatory obligation for them to go. I have to say, Mr Adam, that the bill is about a lot more than zip wires and canoeing. [Interruption.] Well, you might find that funny. I find that—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Well, I do not want it to be an issue—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I want to go back to the point about unanswered questions and queries. You are right that you stipulated those questions when you appeared before us in our stage 1 proceedings and in the stage 1 debate, but they were not of significant enough concern to you at that time to vote against the bill.

What Pam Duncan-Glancy just said is surely the crux of the issue. You could lodge a financial resolution for the bill in the knowledge that we may never spend a single penny of that financial resolution because the bill does not get satisfactorily amended at stage 2 or stage 3. Is not the best approach to give Parliament the opportunity to try to hone the bill into something that we can get majority support for and, therefore, lodge the financial resolution with the caveat that the Government, if it has enough support from other parties, can vote it down at stage 3 if the amendments at stage 2 do not suffice?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Because any figure is too much?