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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I know—it definitely wasn’t directed at me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I would like to come in before you move on to other points.

Ms O’Brien, is your concern at such a level that, should the Government not accept what has been said in various responses about the need for compliance with the UNCRC to be incorporated in stand-alone parts of the legislation, you would be unable to support the bill as a whole? Are your concerns so significant that, if people do not have that right of appeal through the UNCRC, support for the bill overall could be under threat?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you all very much. That concludes today’s evidence session on the bill. I am grateful for your time, insight and contributions to this important part of parliamentary scrutiny.

The committee will now move into private session to consider its final agenda item.

12:53 Meeting continued in private until 13:12.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you. I will bring in John Mason.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you want to come in, Ms Pasternak?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

The next item of business is evidence from two panels on the Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill. I welcome our first panel. Stephen Bermingham is senior policy and standards manager for Children’s Hearings Scotland; Matt Forde is partnerships and development director for NSPCC Scotland; Margaret Smith, who is joining us remotely, is the services manager for Partners in Advocacy; Alastair Hogg is head of practice and policy for the Scottish Children’s Reporter Administration; and Laura Pasternak is policy and public affairs manager for Who Cares? Scotland. Welcome to you all. As you can see, we have a big panel, with five of you on it, so there is a lot to get through with members’ questions and your answers.

Looking at all your briefings, I see that you are largely supportive of some areas in the bill but there are some areas in which you would like to see change. Could you briefly describe what you like about what is in the bill and what you would like to see improved during our scrutiny at stage 1, and at stages 2 and 3 if the bill progresses? Mr. Hogg, I will start with you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

We will get into a number of those elements through our questions.

I come to Mr Forde. If there are elements of what Mr Hogg said that you agree with, you do not need to repeat them. Which areas of the bill do you think are good, and which do you think that the committee and the Parliament should focus on with a view to improving?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you. Given that we are on the topic of hearings, I will delve a little further into that with you, Sheriff Mackie. Your working group recommended that the obligation on a child to attend hearings should be replaced with a presumption that they will attend. The bill removes the obligation but does not replace it with such a presumption. What do you think of that and what concerns do you have about it? Should there be a difference in the types of hearings at which there should be either an obligation or a presumption on a child to attend?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

The group also recommended the abolition of grounds hearings. From your evidence, and from that of The Promise Scotland, it seems that you are still of that view. Will you explain where the bill does not go as far as you would like it to? What would be the difficulties if the bill remained as it is? Should the provisions on grounds hearings be strengthened as well?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

May I just confirm that, although some people think that the provision is important, you think that it would cause undue difficulties to assess whether someone is causing distress—and that, in any case, there are existing powers that allow a chair to carry out that function.