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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

It is a complex bill, but it did not take consultees to our call for evidence much time to highlight that as a deficiency in this bill and in other pieces of legislation. Is there more that your office could do with Government, or are you doing enough to get the issue higher up the agenda and it is incumbent on Government now to listen to those concerns?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Mr Higgins, you say that it is good for seclusion to be included in the bill. However, the submission from Clan Childlaw states:

“The definition of seclusion in both the Bill and the Guidance specifically includes the condition that the child must not be able to leave the place that they have been isolated in.”

If we pass the bill, we will basically be endorsing that even though everyone says that it is a breach of the child’s human rights.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I am sorry; I will come to you in a second.

But this is happening today, and so what action is being taken to safeguard children’s human rights? It is perhaps being underreported, but we all know that it is happening at the moment and that the breach of their human rights is occurring as we sit here this morning.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

But a teacher could say to you, “There is a bill going through Parliament at the moment that would try to reduce it, but that does not in any way outlaw it.”

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

That concludes our evidence session with our first witnesses today. I thank you all for your time, your answers and your contributions. It is much appreciated.

Before we move to our next panel of witnesses, I will suspend the meeting for 10 minutes.

11:12 Meeting suspended.  

11:23 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Mr Dunlop, I have deliberately left you until last. You are not a big fan of the bill. The other witnesses have a number of positive points to make, with a few areas where they would like to see improvement. I read over your four-page submission and saw there was very little that you liked about the bill. Is that a fair assumption?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Tell us more.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you. There is a lot to get into in relation to the bill with the witnesses today. Pam Duncan-Glancy will ask the next questions.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you. Mr McLennan, back to you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Douglas Ross

If no one has any comments on that point, we will move to Bill Kidd.

12:45