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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

But this bill legitimises it. I think that we have just agreed that.

The definition of seclusion in this bill is the condition that a child must not be able to leave the place that they have been isolated in. On the one hand, you are telling us to pass this bill. However, on the other hand, you are telling us that the seclusion element of it breaches human rights; that that is currently happening, and that it would still happen after this bill passes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

My final point—

Mr Higgins, do you want to come back on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I am sure that it will in our further panels, and with both the cabinet secretary and the member in charge.

My final question is on something that Ben Higgins touched on. You think that the incident should be reported to the parents on the same day—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I am seeing nods of agreement from other witnesses.

I thank you for your time and your evidence. That concludes our consideration of the bill and the public part of our proceedings. The committee will now move into private session to consider its final agenda item.

12:23 Meeting continued in private until 12:36.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I was going to, but if you want to come in on it, please do.

10:30  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I was going to ask about that point, Ms Martin. Would that not mean there could be a circumstance where an incident happens on the last day of term before the summer holidays and a family is waiting up to two months before they are informed, because the next school day is not until the children go back to school in August?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I have one final question before I pass over to Ross Greer, who will ask the next questions.

I am a parent of two boys—one in primary 2 and one in nursery. When they trip and fall, we immediately get a phone call, or we get a note when we pick them up, and we have a word with the nursery teacher or the classroom teacher.

I cannot get my head around the idea that for very minimal distress or injury—sometimes we can barely see it—we are informed fully, yet with restraint and seclusion, that is not happening. How can it be, if schools already know that they have to inform parents of the most minor incidents, that they are not doing it for your children?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I just do not understand how it is happening. If I am told about the most minor incident with my sons, when they barely noticed what happened, I do not understand how you cannot be told about something as severe as restraining a child. We heard that Calum came home with blue lips and that his mum had to take him straight to hospital. How could an incident that severe not trigger a teacher or an education professional informing the parent, whereas the vast majority of parents are told of the most minor incidents?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

[Inaudible]—a couple of weeks ago, Mr Adam.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Good morning and welcome to the 27th meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. The first item on our agenda is evidence on the Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill, and we are hearing from two panels.

For our first panel, I am pleased to welcome Dr Simon Webster, head of research and policy at Enable; Kate Sanger, family carer and co-creator of the communication passport; and Suzi Martin, who joins us remotely and is external affairs manager at the National Autistic Society. I thank you all for joining us.

Ms Sanger, I will start with you. Beth Morrison has submitted written evidence and she has been behind the campaign for coming up to 15 years. We very much recognise what her son Calum has been through; the family is on a trip to Disneyland and we would all concur that it is important that Calum and the family get time away. Beth puts a lot of onus on you, in her place, to adequately articulate the calls for these changes. Could you start by explaining your background in relation to your daughter Laura and why the campaign is so important to you, Beth and many other campaigners?