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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 March 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Douglas Ross

Thank you. We will go back to Paul McLennan.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Douglas Ross

I was going to do so, but I have also taken up half an hour of our session with just my questions.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Douglas Ross

Good morning, and welcome to the fourth meeting in 2026 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. The first item on our agenda is an evidence session with trade union representatives from four of our universities. I welcome Dan Cutts, the joint chair of the University of Aberdeen University and College Union branch; Melissa D’Ascenzio, the joint president of the University of Dundee UCU branch; Sophia Woodman, the president of the University of Edinburgh UCU branch; and Stewart Forrester, a Unite senior representative at the University of Strathclyde. Thank you for the written evidence that you have submitted, which has been circulated to committee members.

This is quite a large panel, and we are a large committee, so if you feel that a question has already been answered or that you have nothing to contribute, do not feel obliged to answer every question. However, if you have something to say, please get involved by indicating that you want to come in. There might also be specific questions for specific witnesses.

Thank you not only for your correspondence in the run-up to this evidence session but for your engagement with the committee over many months and years. The committee is keen to hear your representations on behalf of your members. We have heard from principals and senior management from a number of the universities, but we are extremely keen to hear your views and opinions on what is going on in your individual universities and in the university sector more generally.

I will kick off the questioning. What is the current feeling at your individual university, given the financial plight and that jobs are under threat? What is morale like among staff and students? Give us a picture of where things are just now. I will bring in Mr Cutts first.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Douglas Ross

Thank you all very much. That was a good overview because it was helpful, but the picture that you are painting of what is happening on the ground is not good.

Ms Woodman, you said that the financial pressures are down to serious mismanagement. Mr Forrester, you suggested that Government funding is not sufficient. Where does the blame lie here? Is it about the level of funding that universities are getting? Is it about the management on the ground? This is not just about one or two universities. We have four universities represented here, but you also represent universities across the country where financial pressures are being articulated. Who is to blame? Is it a combination of a number of things?

Also, why are things reaching such a pinnacle now in terms of the problems and the number of job losses that we have already seen through voluntary redundancy and which are being anticipated?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Douglas Ross

I think that we will touch on those points as—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Douglas Ross

I would like to move us on a little bit, if that is okay. We have received apologies from Ross Greer this morning and his party colleague Maggie Chapman is attending as a substitute. We now move to Maggie’s questions.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Douglas Ross

I will let Willie Rennie ask a question first.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Douglas Ross

Thank you for your time and answers, as well as for your engagement with the committee over previous months and years prior to this meeting. I am sure that that engagement will continue with our successor committee in the next parliamentary session. I thank your members, as well.

12:33

Meeting continued in private until 12:42.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Douglas Ross

I realise that my questions have been quite open, which is why we have had good and comprehensive answers, but we will have to tighten things a bit to get round all committee members.

I have a final question for the moment. What is the level of trust between unions and university management? What is the level of meaningful engagement? When we have principals, vice-chancellors and other senior managers in front of the committee, they say that they regularly engage with and listen to unions—some have written to us this week to say that. Does it feel as if you are being listened to, or are we being fobbed off with such answers?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Universities

Meeting date: 28 January 2026

Douglas Ross

Do you want to come in on that, Mr Forrester?