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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

Finally, before we go to Jackie Dunbar, I have a question on finance. When the cost of a bill reaches a certain threshold, a financial resolution is required. If the Government introduces the legislation, it lodges that resolution. As a member with a non-Government bill, you cannot lodge that—it has to be lodged on your behalf by the Government.

You heard the questions that were put to the minister on that issue. What was your reaction to the minister’s response that, on the one hand, the Government was neutral on the bill, but that, on the other, it was not looking at lodging a financial resolution?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

Are we seeing the same can-do approach from the Government? I thought that the solicitor from the Government pushed back on it quite a bit when they gave evidence. They said that there were no examples of such funding being used to support Government legislation in the past. I think that their concern would be about money being available in years X, Y and Z and then stopping. How do you respond to those comments?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

I have one final point. Mr Mason raised the issue of the bill potentially benefiting better-off parents who currently pay for such activities if the provision is funded by the Government. The policy memorandum says:

“The Member considers that any system created ought to be based on substantial funding from the Scottish Government, but accepts that flexibility could potentially be retained to use different funding streams such as school fundraising activities and also to enable parents or carers, who can afford to, to make a part contribution towards the costs.”

Can you explain that a bit more with regard to the flexibility that you are speaking about and how that would work in practice?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

Do you believe that there is flexibility just now, or would you look to bring back amendments on that at stage 2 if the bill gets past stage 1?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

That is helpful.

We have gone through all the members’ questions. Would you like to make any final comments to members on behalf of your bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

This is not a question; it is just a comment. At Broomlee on Monday, we saw that groups had one member of staff from the outdoor centre and one teacher. I thought that that mix worked very well. The teacher was learning things to take back to the classroom, but the pupils were also getting the experience of someone from the centre.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

Good morning and welcome to the 34th meeting in 2024 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. We have received apologies from George Adam, so I welcome Clare Haughey, who is joining us in his place. As this is the first time that Clare is attending the committee in that capacity, our first item of business is to invite her to declare any relevant interests.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

Our second item is the final evidence session on the Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I welcome our witnesses, Liz Smith MSP, who is the member in charge of the bill; Neil Stewart, who is a senior clerk in the non-Government bills unit; and Claudia Bennett, who is a senior solicitor at the Scottish Parliament. I invite Liz Smith to make an opening statement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

Just to press that a little bit further, I note that we have heard about the impact that outdoor education has not just on the pupil but on the teacher who teaches the pupils for the remainder of the year. Staff at the Broomlee centre told us on Monday that September is a big month for primary 7 and secondary 1 classes—they have noticed a real difference in those transition years. I take Ross Greer’s point in the spirit in which he asked his question, but there is clearly also a benefit from pupils seeing their own teacher in such environments. Is that what you have picked up, Liz?