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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

So, is Professor Gillies wrong in her assumption?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You have already blamed Mr Fotheringham for that, so you are reiterating that. That is fine.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

He will, we hope, answer that tomorrow. However, that is the reason why you, as chair of the court, did it—because the former principal was telling you that he could provide that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I am sorry, but how could any director of finance not remember a principal telling the university and the wider public that the university was moving into a surplus position when you have just told us that it was clear then that it was not? That was the total opposite of what you are telling us that you believed, but you sat on your hands and claim not to have heard the principal saying that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Dr McGeorge, there is a theme in your evidence: you say “we”, share responsibility and often move it on to others. You did so with Mr Fotheringham very early in the meeting, and just a moment ago, you said that other decisions meant that the right people were not on courts.

You held one of the most senior positions, are one of the most qualified people and have different qualifications. A lot of your evidence seems to involve shifting the blame away from you. The role of chief operating officer and company secretary was one of the university’s most senior positions, and you have been at the university longer than anyone else on the panel that is in front of us. You have been at the university longer than the total for the other witnesses combined. Of the witnesses today, you are perhaps most to blame. Do you accept that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Of our witnesses today, do you accept that you are most to blame?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Did you provide all information requested?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

How about you, Dr McGeorge?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Good. I wanted to get that on the record.

On the covenant, how can two very senior individuals—one is the director of finance and one about whom the Gillies report says

“was at the centre of”

all

“the financial management of the University”—

not know that a breach is reportable to the Funding Council?

I will go to you first, Dr McGeorge.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You are at the centre of financial management at the university. You are not only the chief operating officer but the company secretary. You are legally bound to alert the institution to such issues. Is it not only an appalling failure but almost a criminal failure that you were negligent in that way?