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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Okay. Minister, what discussion have you had with other departments, ministers and cabinet secretaries about the issue?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

My question was about other cabinet secretaries, ministers and departments.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Given your respect for Social Work Scotland, do you agree that the bill would have been vastly improved if you had consulted more and better prior to the introduction of the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Mr Henderson, do you want to add anything?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

In its written evidence, which was submitted four months ago, with regard to the process of developing the bill, it said:

“It has been noted there has been an absence of meaningful engagement during the development of the Bill,”

and then, almost two months ago, Fraser McKinlay said in his oral evidence:

“Engagement has been frustrating ... In speaking to colleagues who have experience of being involved in legislation in previous years, I found that everyone was struck by how locked down this bill was ... It has landed quite cold.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 10 September 2025; c 32-33.]

Those are not the comments of someone who has been heavily engaged with the development of the bill. There was a real sense of frustration from The Promise Scotland and from Fraser McKinlay when they were in front of the committee, that you had not tapped into their expertise and knowledge. How do you respond to that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Was that in response to the concerns about the lack of consultation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Well, it was only a few minutes ago. Pam Duncan-Glancy asked very clearly whether elements of the bill could be judicially reviewed under the UNCRC that were outwith the scope of the UNCRC. The minister gave a one-word answer—“Yes”—to say that they could be, and followed that up—[Interruption.] I am sorry—yes, the minister did say that. She followed that up and then had to ask for the question to be repeated, and, when the question was repeated, she changed her answer to say—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

The minister asked you to come back in again when there was clarification, but if you did not hear that and you did not pick up on that, that is fine.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

But how do we then write a report on this issue? The minister is always the last person to give evidence, because they are supposed to provide us with the answers to the queries that have come through our work. Compatibility with the UNCRC has been a consistent theme throughout our evidence, and at the moment, when we are writing our report, we still have a big question mark over where you and the Government are on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you accept that it will be challenging?