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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you see the minutes before they are published and agreed by the court?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I am not that interested in the dates. If we had spoken to your predecessors—not your immediate predecessors, but others—two years ago, they would have said, “We have an audit and risk committee, a finance and policy committee and we have the court, and everything is fine.” However, what we found out from the Gillies report and other investigations is that they might have met, but they were not doing their job. I am trying to understand whether they are doing their job, rather than whether they are meeting and have papers.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Just to be clear, as I am getting conflicting information, you are saying that no paper of that nature—a financial analysis that addressed corporate restructuring—was submitted to the governance secretary.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

You have far more experience in the sector than I have, or ever will have, and I respect that. Nonetheless, given everything that you knew about Dundee university when you went into that job, I would have thought that the court was an area to which you would have wanted to pay considerable attention, because it had dropped the ball so many times.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I take a completely different view, because, first, having looked at your minutes, I cannot tell what is going on, because you reserve all that information. Secondly, I am still quite concerned that finance reports were withdrawn, but I do not want to go over that again.

On the court, the cabinet secretary said earlier that she has concerns about members and so on. Did the interim chair of the court ask to come along to the meeting today? Did you think that that might have been quite useful? You have deflected a lot of matters on to the court, because you speak as vice-chancellor and principal. I was clear in my invitation to you that you could bring along whoever you needed and wanted with you. Why bring only an interim finance director and not the interim chair of the court?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

No, no—I do not think that that is on us. We asked you on a wide-ranging—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

You do not. Do you think that it is right that the minutes of that important meeting on 23 June were not published until earlier this month?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you believe that there has been underreporting on the use of restraint and seclusion in Scottish schools?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Before we move to look at other aspects of the bill, I will take the opportunity to ask you about Drummond school in my region, which I think that you have agreed to visit. Campaigners for the bill, and parents, have told me of concerns about the school using restraint or seclusion, with pupils being left in corridors for quite a long time or being restrained for 30 minutes because of issues that I think could have been handled far better. What are your current thoughts on the situation at that school in Inverness? Is the fact that you are going to visit the school a sign that you are concerned about some of those reports?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much, cabinet secretary. That concludes this evidence session on the Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill. However, late in the session, you provided me with a hook to ask this next question. In response to Mr Mason, you commented on our next evidence session, which is with the University of Dundee. Will you be watching that evidence session, and what do you expect us to hear from the university?