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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Youth Parliament

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Douglas Ross

Good morning, and welcome to the third meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. We have received apologies from Bill Kidd.

The first item on our agenda is an evidence session with members of the Scottish Youth Parliament. We will hear from Ellie Craig, who is chair of the SYP and member for Glasgow Cathcart; Beinn Grant, who is member of the Scottish Youth Parliament for Perthshire South and Kinross-shire; Beau Johnston, who is MSYP for Edinburgh Central; Sophie Kerrigan, who is deputy convener of the SYP education and lifelong learning committee and MSYP for Stirling; and Jordana Rae, who is convener of the SYP education and lifelong learning committee and MSYP for Cowdenbeath. I warmly welcome you all to the Scottish Parliament and to our committee. We are looking forward to hearing your views and opinions and your responses to our questions.

Ellie, I know that you would like to make an opening statement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Youth Parliament

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Douglas Ross

That is an excellent opening statement, and I know that it covers a lot of areas that members want to come in on.

How do you set your priorities for the SYP and for the education and lifelong learning committee for the year ahead? How does that work? How do you form the views of the members and set your priorities for the year ahead?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Youth Parliament

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes—absolutely.

We go to Willie Rennie.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Youth Parliament

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Douglas Ross

Jordana, has your committee looked at that, or would it do so in the future? If there is good practice that is not being shared across the country, would that be of interest to members of your committee?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Youth Parliament

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much. I will bring Beinn in. I am conscious of the time, but you are all giving very good answers.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

“Higher History Review 2024”

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much for that opening statement.

There is a lot in there that we will get into. I will first put this question to Kirsty, then we will go to Andy and Rebecca.

When did you first become aware that there was an issue? I made the point to Fiona Robertson when she appeared before our committee that it seemed to take many weeks—indeed, months—before the SQA launched its review. Did you know on exam results day that there was a major issue that would have to be thoroughly investigated, or did you think, at that time, that it was maybe just a blip?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

“Higher History Review 2024”

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Douglas Ross

You are right to say that our now being in January makes revisiting last year’s results difficult, but it did not necessarily have to be so difficult. If the SQA had taken immediate and prompt action, there might have been an opportunity to revisit the results in late summer rather than in January 2025. I want to press the SQA on that issue.

There were some stark comments in your review that were picked up by the press and others. Some of your members called the SQA’s independent—as it would call it—review a whitewash. They said that it was brushing things under the carpet. One of them said—I quoted this in the chamber a couple of weeks ago—that it was

“the most biased and useless investigation I have ever seen a public body attempt to pass off as legitimate”.

Those are not just small concerns. There is a feeling of fury among history teachers about what has happened and how it has affected them and their students, as well as about the way in which the investigation into everything was handled by the SQA. Is it fair to say that there is still a huge amount of anger, frustration and dissatisfaction among your members towards the SQA?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

“Higher History Review 2024”

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Douglas Ross

I got an email this morning from someone who was passing on comments. They said:

“Our members in schools are still raging that the webinars and materials from December and last week”

that are held by the SQA

“have still not been put online”.

Those who could not make it to the sessions are in the dark. As I mentioned before, they said that the SQA seems to be in “a defensive position” rather than trying to get the materials that teachers need to prepare their students.

As you said, the events were designed in response to significant concerns, but if that is the best that the SQA can come up with, it is clearly not delivering.

Was the SQA’s qualification manager present at the meeting for higher history?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

“Higher History Review 2024”

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you think that the only reason why it was published this time is perhaps that the cabinet secretary came in front of our committee and said that she would share it with us? The SQA was kind of boxed in at that point, was it not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

“Higher History Review 2024”

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Douglas Ross

You should never be put in that position. We have discussed this before: you are volunteers. You represent your fellow history teachers. Surely the SQA would want that survey published and to be out there in public so that it can be held to account and so that it can improve. You should not in any way feel regret for having done that—the ones who should be regretting it are the ones who put you in that position in the first place.

I am sorry, Kirsty—I know that you wanted to come in on Pam Duncan-Glancy’s question, too.