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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Did you not think that that was an option? Why did you not take that option?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

However, do you have that ability given that, by your own admission, the plan that you submitted in August was rejected by the Funding Council? Does that not indicate that you do not have the ability to produce the plans to the level that is required by the Funding Council, the Scottish Government and others?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

You spoke about the fears of teachers and local authorities. What about the fears of parents whose child comes home unwilling to speak about what happened at their school, and who cannot get that information? Throughout our evidence sessions, I have given the same example: if one of my boys trips in the playground and grazes their knee, we immediately get a phone call. That is one of the few issues on which Mr Adam and I agree in this committee, because he has similar experiences with his grandchildren. That happens for children in mainstream education, so why does it not happen when some of our most vulnerable children, who cannot express their own opinions in a normal way, are restrained and secluded?

I am sure that it was not deliberate, but when you spoke about fears, it was all about the fears of the teachers and of local authorities. I have real concerns about the fears of parents who do not know what is happening to their children while they are at school, right now, in 2025, here in Scotland.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Was it not discussed by the Funding Council?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

That was quite an interesting answer.

Going back to a couple of points that were raised in John Mason’s questioning, I note that you said that a permanent chair is required before you advertise for a principal, but then you said that that was good practice. Is it not required?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I have quite a lot of information on this that I am quite happy to put into the public domain. I cannot imagine that what you say here will compromise anything, and it just looks suspicious if you will not answer. I am not saying that it is suspicious; I am just talking about what it might look like from the outside.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

If it was not a paper, was there due to be a finance update from the interim finance director—as was the normal process for court meetings—which was then removed from the agenda? Did Helen Simpson still insist on giving an update?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

The other point that Mr Mason raised with Mr Hamill concerned the university’s committees. Are the court and the committees working effectively?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

That is very interesting, because it is the polar opposite of what I am being told, so there is an issue there.

That was Helen Simpson’s final court meeting. In my personal view, she had done outstanding work. She saw the problems before anyone else. When she sat in the witness’s chair next to Mr Hamill she told us that, at the end of day 1, she saw the problems at Dundee university that others internally—and, I have to say, externally, including the likes of the SFC—had missed for months.

If that was her final meeting, surely you, as day 1 vice-chancellor and principal, would have expected to hear from her and see a report from her.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I call Maggie Chapman.