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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

What do you think it is, roughly? This is the money that you spend running your operation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

The next item of business is to take evidence from a panel of witnesses on the financial sustainability of Scotland’s colleges. I welcome to the meeting from Colleges Scotland Angela Cox, chair of the college principals group, and Andy Witty, director of strategic policy and corporate governance. I also welcome Joanna Campbell, principal and chief executive of Glasgow Kelvin College, Professor Wayne Powell, principal and chief executive of Scotland’s Rural College, and Vicki Nairn, principal and vice-chancellor of the University of the Highlands and Islands. I welcome you all to the committee.

I will start off with Mr Witty and Ms Cox. At the start of the year, we had ministers in front of us to discuss the budget, and they felt that the budget that the Scottish Government delivered was good for Scotland’s colleges. However, Colleges Scotland had told the committee that the budget was

“deeply disappointing for Scotland’s 24 colleges”,

that

“the sector’s call for greater investment had been overlooked”,

that

“This shortfall will have far-reaching implications for Scotland’s economic recovery”

and that

“this funding cut poses significant challenges.”

Who is right? Is it Colleges Scotland, who said all that, or the ministers who said that this was a good budget for the college sector?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

What have you and the RSB done to resolve that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I note that you did not ask me, as a former student, to contribute to that, but maybe my progression has not been as good as that of others who have gone through the Scottish Agricultural College and SRUC model.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

What has been the saving as a result of that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Therefore, your £15 million figure was previously more than £20 million.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

What is the overall deficit that is forecast for UHI?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I fully agree with that. However—to go back to my initial questions to Andy Witty—the Minister for Higher and Further Education, when he was in front of us, said that

“The position that Colleges Scotland adopted at the outset was to make a budget ask that many people would have considered unrealistic by any judgment.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 8 January 2025; c 8.]

That ask was largely about capital—Colleges Scotland made a big request for capital. I think that what you have said needs to be heard by Government; otherwise, the condition of the buildings will get poorer and poorer.

Professor Powell, I think that you wanted to come in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Colleges (Financial Sustainability)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Douglas Ross

It will not be 5,360—you are confident on that.