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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Finally, Rachel Smart from The Inverness Courier has done a lot of work on the issue in the past few weeks and has given examples of children at that school—Lily, Cole, Drew and Dexter—who have been restrained and secluded. Some of that reporting is quite harrowing, even though it does not go into the full extent of what is going on. Will you be able to update us if any issues that arise from your meeting are directly linked to the bill? Any further update from your meeting with Drummond school would also be appreciated.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I am referring to the point that there are people who believe that the SFC is now a conduit for the Scottish Government and that it is not acting impartially with regard to the Scottish Government.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I am going through my questions in the order that I wrote them down. I know that you have taken legal advice that you cannot comment on Chris Reilly. Can you say, and continue to say, that he left the university by mutual agreement?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

But you are confident that the £40 million that you have asked for covers it, even though you are projecting significant deficits that exceed that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Really? Plans have been produced by your predecessors and by you and the current board, but they have not been taken forward through the Scottish Funding Council, the Government or whoever takes those decisions. The committee has debated whether those plans have been rejected or not. Is it your view that the previous plans that were presented have been rejected?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I want to get to other members, because I have taken up too much time, but first I want to ask you a question, Mr Hamill. When you came into this job, what did you think about the very quick departure of your predecessor? Did that worry you?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

But you know how long a bill takes to go through as a non-Government bill, so the Government has an opportunity. When you were speaking to Mr Rennie it sounded like you agree with lots of things, but you might not do it in the same way. What discussion did you have? Was it simply about that timescale? Did the matter go to the Cabinet so that the Government could consider taking the bill on?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I am still a wee bit unclear about that, but I realise that we are pressed for time.

The last thing that I want to focus on is an issue that Michael Marra touched on: your relationship with the Funding Council. How helpful has it been?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much for that opening statement, cabinet secretary.

You rightly mentioned Beth Morrison and the work that she has done on behalf of her son Calum, and Kate Sanger and the work that she has done on behalf of her daughter Laura. However, those are not new incidents; they did not happen recently. Why have we reached the stage of having a member’s bill, when parents have been campaigning for years, including through petitions to this Parliament, seeking the Government to do something? Although it is welcome that the Government supports the bill, why has the Government not done more on the issue before now?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Douglas Ross

We will get on to that later, because we received an email from the student union last night and significant concerns have been expressed at the university about it.

Is all the work being done internally? Are you using your own internal skills and expertise or are you seeking outside advice?