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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You are unemployed. I am sorry about that.

Amanda Millar, all this was going on while you were ultimately in charge of the governance. These gentlemen were employed to do that work, and they failed. Ultimately, you represented the final catch-all opportunity to make sure that good governance was progressed through the university and that such issues were highlighted. Why did you and your court fail so miserably to do that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

So, until that point, when they regularly attended, was it not helpful for them to be there and you decided to exclude them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Was it your decision to implement the change or were you advised by the former principal or others who are on the panel to do it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You have all been extremely positive and passionate about the University of Dundee, which begs the question why you allowed it to get into such a situation.

Dr McGeorge, you said that, during the period that the Gillies report covers, you did your very best. If that is your very best, it is pathetic. You are identified as one of the worst offenders in the report. Your conduct—what you oversaw and allowed to happen—is unacceptable. How can that possibly be your very best?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

But the report also makes it clear that it would not have been difficult to challenge that. Someone with your experience, who had spent many years at the University of Dundee, should surely have questioned what you were getting from Mr Fotheringham and what the former principal and others were asking you to pass on. You did not do that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes, but members of the university executive group were also on the court. Did they not come to you, as chair, to say, “We’re not getting this information”?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

So, is Professor Gillies wrong in her assumption?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You have already blamed Mr Fotheringham for that, so you are reiterating that. That is fine.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

He will, we hope, answer that tomorrow. However, that is the reason why you, as chair of the court, did it—because the former principal was telling you that he could provide that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I am sorry, but how could any director of finance not remember a principal telling the university and the wider public that the university was moving into a surplus position when you have just told us that it was clear then that it was not? That was the total opposite of what you are telling us that you believed, but you sat on your hands and claim not to have heard the principal saying that.