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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I will come back to a few of those points, but let us hear from the other witnesses.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Did you watch our evidence session last week?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you think that that is a deliberate move by the Government, or is it potentially an oversight? Your submission is quite scathing:

“The draft Bill proposals do not meaningfully build on existing good practice and would seem not to have been informed by a full range of available and relevant research evidence and performance data.”

You are basically saying that the Government did not do its homework before it came up with the proposals.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Forgive me, but how much less? What are we looking at?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

What does that picture look like? Describe what it would have looked like five years ago compared to now, because of budget impacts.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Good morning, and welcome to the 16th meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. The main item on our agenda is continuation of evidence taking on the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I welcome the first of our two panels of witnesses: Jon Vincent, the principal of Glasgow Clyde College, who is representing Colleges Scotland; Sir Paul Grice, the interim convener of Universities Scotland; Andrew Ritchie, the lead officer for the Developing the Young Workforce programme at Aberdeenshire Council, who is representing the Association of Directors of Education in Scotland’s sub-group on foundation apprenticeships; and Sai Shraddha Suresh Viswanathan, the president of the National Union of Students Scotland. Thank you all for joining us.

I will kick off with the question that I have asked the two previous panels of witnesses. What is the problem that the bill is seeking to address and rectify, and is the bill the answer to that problem?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Before I go to Bill Kidd, I wonder whether, given everything that you have just said, employers are actually aware of the bill. Are they raising concerns with you? Are they waiting to see the bill’s final shape and whether it becomes law? What awareness is out there of what we are discussing here today? Is a lot of the onus on you, as representatives, to do the heavy lifting now, with employers just dealing with whatever they have to deal with?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Last week, we had a discussion about the delay to the publication of the universities and colleges financial sustainability report. What is your view on that, as representatives of colleges and universities? The report was due in January, but you have not seen it, and neither have we. Should it be published immediately if all the information is now available, or should we wait until September?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

We can see that—it is good.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you all very much. I apologise that the session has overrun quite significantly, but that is because the questions that we have asked you have prompted debate. I appreciate all the time that you have given this morning and the evidence that you have provided.

11:14 Meeting suspended.  

11:28 On resuming—