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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you think that there is a wide enough awareness among employers and others that someone who achieves a college qualification now has been through potentially quite significant classroom and workshop learning in comparison with what would have happened five years ago?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Is it a small amount? Is it significant?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

You spoke about the quality of the service that learners receive. Are learners in Scotland’s colleges being taught less in the classroom or in workshops because your budgets are being cut?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I should declare, for the sake of balance on the committee, that other apprenticeships are available. You might be superstars, but there might be other superstars, too.

I call John Mason.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

And that goes back to the schools not doing enough to promote the option.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

We have heard the opposite and that, certainly in previous years, demand for apprenticeships has far outstripped supply. You are saying that that has changed now.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Phiona, what awareness do your employers have of this particular bill and what it could mean for them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

It did not do that this time.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I said that I would come back to the witnesses on a number of points, but you have all given quite comprehensive answers, and we are starting to go into areas that other members want to ask about, so I will go to the other members and then maybe come back in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 14 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Welcome back. We will continue taking evidence on the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill, and I welcome our second panel: Sarah Dalrymple, founder and director of SDC-Learn; Stephanie Lowe, deputy chief executive, Scottish and Northern Ireland Plumbing Employers Federation; and Phiona Rae, head of administration and finance, Tullos Training. Phiona Rae is appearing virtually.

I will kick off the questions. You might have heard the discussion that we had with the previous panel—indeed, I have asked this question of every panel on the bill. Is there a problem that the bill is seeking to address? Is the bill the right answer to that problem? We will start with Sarah Dalrymple.