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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Good morning and welcome to the 22nd meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. Our first agenda item is an evidence session on the financial situation at the University of Dundee.

We will take evidence from former members of staff at the university. I welcome to the meeting Peter Fotheringham, former director of finance; Dr Jim McGeorge, former chief operating officer; and Amanda Millar, former chair of the university court. Thank you all for joining us. We will go straight to questions.

I will start by asking you all about your individual and collective responsibilities in the situation, which is now very public, that the University of Dundee got itself into due to failures in leadership and chronic mismanagement. What do you say to the students and staff who were so badly let down and failed by you, individually and collectively?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

You were the chief operating officer and company secretary, so everything was available to you. There was nothing of which you would not have been aware.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

So is it Mr Fotheringham’s fault?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

What questions did you raise when you were not getting monthly updates and performance data was withheld from the court?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

At our previous evidence session with some of your former colleagues, we were told that some members who regularly attended were excluded from court. Did you approve that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

It says that the signs were there.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

The principal said in March 2024 that the university was

“moving into a surplus position after a decade of financial deficits.”

What did you do then? What did you say to Professor Gillespie? Did you say, “That is not correct”? Did you stand up and go to the chair of the court or the chief operating officer to say that what the principal had told students, staff and the wider public in March 2024 was clearly wrong, and dangerously wrong for the university?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

Gillies makes it very clear that you and several named others—including Mr Fotheringham next to you—appear to have operated

“in isolation of facts”.

Are you saying that you disagree with that section of the report?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

I was just about to move on. However, was the former principal advising that people should not come because he could cover their points?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Douglas Ross

And you are still in charge of public funds.