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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Why can you not do that now, while we are scrutinising the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Good.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Why has it taken us so long to get to this point? The Government first asked the SFC to look at the issue in 2020. When it did, it said that the

“status quo is not tenable”.

When the committee looked at the issue more than two years ago, it concluded, in March 2023, that the proposal that you have brought forward today was the right approach. Is that the pace that we should be going at, given that what we are talking about is not particularly controversial?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Good morning, and welcome to the 18th meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. This morning, we have our final evidence session on the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. I welcome Graeme Dey, Minister for Higher and Further Education; and Minister for Veterans, and his officials from the Scottish Government: Andrew Mott, head of legislation and community learning and development unit; Cath Henderson, apprenticeship team leader; and Alison Martin, solicitor. Thank you all for joining us.

Before we move to members’ questions, we will begin with an opening statement from the minister.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Are you comfortable that the minister is committing to giving it to the Parliament before the stage 1 debate? It is just a yes or no answer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you agree with the minister that we will get the cost detail before the stage 1 debate?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Mr Torrance, I know that you have a personal interest in the area—you have made that very clear—and are involved with the Fife Alcohol and Drug Partnership. Your interest has been very helpful to me during the committee’s consideration of the bill.

Clearly, the bill puts an onus on Scottish Government ministers. There is a budget uplift that has to be delivered—we will get into that—but, when I spoke to the Finance and Public Administration Committee about the financial memorandum, concerns were raised about the role of social work departments and local authorities.

Ultimately, the desire is that, under the bill, the Scottish Government would deliver the rights in law. The Scottish Government would then work with ADPs, integration joint boards, councils and others to deliver them, and it would be for the Scottish Government to take that work forward. I think that it is right that the Government is given the flexibility to implement the bill in the way that it believes will deliver the outcomes that the bill seeks.

There is also an important reporting mechanism that allows ministers to be held to account in the Parliament—we will probably come on to speak about reporting. There is a huge deficiency in the numbers that we are able to properly gather on those who are suffering from drug and alcohol misuse. Indeed, many people have spoken about a missing cohort of people who are not included in any official statistics. Having that reporting to Parliament, so that it could hold the Government to account on the elements in that process, would therefore be an important part of both the legislation’s progress and how it is monitored in the years to come.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes. That is hugely important. It goes back to Ms Whitham’s point that any family member or another advocate can come along with someone who is seeking help and support to overcome their addiction. It is vitally important that they are part of the decision-making process—I think that that is one of the most positive elements of the bill—and that they feel supported in seeking that support, because there will be concern. We are dealing with some of the most vulnerable people in our society, and individual advocacy plays an important role in people getting the rights that they deserve, which I hope the bill will enshrine.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Ross

It is important to state that section 3(1) contains a three-week ceiling—and it is very much a ceiling, because it also states that the treatment should be available

“as soon as reasonably practicable”.

That can be on day 1, as soon as the person presents and has met with a medical professional and a treatment has been determined for them.

The point has been rehearsed in some of the evidence that the committee has heard and that it has received in submissions. The reason that the three-week period was chosen was because that is the national standard: 90 per cent of people should wait no longer than that three-week period for specialist treatment. It ties in with what we already have. However, I understand that, for some people, far more urgency is required.

On your question about when the clock starts and stops, it starts when someone seeks help—when they go to a medical professional to get a determination, when they are requesting a certain treatment or having a discussion about the treatment. It does, however, stop and restart if they are not satisfied with the option that is provided by the medical professional and want a second opinion, or if they are not happy or satisfied that no treatment has been suggested. The clock, and the three-week period, would start again when they sought a second opinion.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Right to Addiction Recovery (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Douglas Ross

First, on rehab, the Scottish Government’s priority is to increase the number of rehab beds by March 2026. Indeed, the former First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, wanted to take the percentage of people getting into rehab from 5 per cent up to around 11 per cent, which is the European average. If I stressed that option in my opening remarks, it was because it is an area in which we are currently seeing development. I know that you have a great deal of experience in this area, as the former Minister for Public Health, Sport and Wellbeing.

In many ways, I am trying to work alongside the Government’s current strategies. The investment that the Government is making to increase the number of beds and its ambition to get us up to levels that are similar to those in other European countries can be complemented by the bill. However, section 1(5)(g) provides for

“any other treatment the relevant health professional deems appropriate”,

so that opens up the opportunity for other options.

I take on board the point—I am not saying that it is a criticism—that you make, which is that the bill is looking too much at abstinence. There are a number of elements in it that would support that option, but there are also a number of elements that would allow other treatment options to be made clear and available.