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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

You are saying that you are surprised and disappointed. Some of that concern is in the written submission, and some of it is in the oral evidence from 10 September. What did you do when you heard that? Did you pick up the phone to Fraser McKinlay? Did your officials reach out to The Promise Scotland about the concerns?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

I will come to your officials in a moment.

The committee does not have that luxury. As I said when I introduced you and your officials, this is our final evidence session. After today, we will be writing our report, and I am now not sure where you sit on this matter. You say that you heard those criticisms. The committee has heard multiple criticisms about the lack of engagement—I will come to more in a moment—and what we get from you, as the minister, is that you will now go away and look into them. We cannot include that in our report, because today is our last opportunity to take evidence. Can I also—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Mr Henderson, you actually switch your sound off when you press the microphone button like that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

But, at the moment, your legal advice would be that there is no requirement for amendments and that it should stay as it is?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Sorry, but the phrase “did not allow” sounds quite strong. The timescales did allow. If you, as the minister, had said, “This is going to be in the bill. I want to make sure that we have a consultation on it before I introduce the bill”, that would have happened. Can any of the officials say that, if the minister had said that to them, they would not have allowed the minister to put the matter out to consultation? No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

The Law Society of Scotland said:

“the Scottish Government is consulting further on this matter. This consultation closes on 6 October 2025. It therefore concerns us that inclusion of the provisions in this Bill is premature, pending the outcomes and any recommendations made within related reviews and consultations.”

It is not just me or this committee that is concerned—it is the Law Society. I still do not understand what barriers would have been in place that would have prevented that consultation from happening.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

I ask either Mr Henderson or the minister: at what point did you start to look for those alternatives? In the financial memorandum, someone typed in 2011 and 2012 and just uprated the figures by inflation, and you have known for months that people have been unhappy with that. At what point did you start to look for alternative, better and more up-to-date figures?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Good morning and welcome to the 31st meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. We have received apologies from Ross Greer. I welcome Roz McCall, who joins us for this meeting.

The first item on our agenda is consideration of subordinate legislation. The Qualifications Scotland (Appointment of Initial Members) Regulations 2025 are being considered under the negative procedure. Do members have any comments to make about the regulations?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Do we agree to write to the Government on the two points that have been highlighted by members?

Members indicated agreement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Mr Henderson, as the senior official, did you question the memorandum at the time? Did you send it back to say that the minister and the Government would not be happy with it, that the finance committee would challenge it and that the education committee might also do so? Did you not say, “Look, we are going to look silly, putting in figures from more than a decade ago and just uprating them by inflation”?