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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you agree with them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

It is not about the financial resolution or spending in future. It is simply about taking a vote at stage 1 in the chamber of this Parliament, where an overwhelming majority of MSPs voted in favour of a bill progressing. We agreed the general principles, and we voted for the bill to progress to stage 2, which this committee can do. We could get you and the member in charge back in to discuss Government amendments and backbench amendments, and then we could have another debate at stage 3 and decide that it has not changed enough, that we have not met the threshold for the improvements that are needed and that therefore the bill will fall at stage 3. Parliament and parliamentarians would then have been given that opportunity. If you fail to lodge the financial resolution, there is no such opportunity.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

The member’s approximate cost for the bill is £30 million, and with some changes it could cost £50 million. We have also heard a £5 million figure today. If £30 million is too much for a financial resolution, what figure could the Government live with?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

It goes back to Mr Rennie’s point that, although you state that you are neutral on the bill, it sounds like you are against the bill at any cost.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you know what day 26 September is?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

That is okay. It is a Friday, which is a non-sitting day. Will you at least give us a commitment that the response from the Government will be made on a sitting day—at the very latest, the response would be made on 26 September—and that you would make a statement to Parliament on the outcome of your decision?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I think that we would be in a very strange situation if a minister had given a commitment to a committee of this Parliament that she is happy to give a statement for that not to be accepted. That commitment is very welcome.

We have gone over time. I appreciate your time, minister, and that of your officials. I will briefly suspend to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

09:36 Meeting suspended.  

09:38 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Could that have been resolved if there had been better discussion and deliberation beforehand? You suggest that there was insufficient consultation prior the bill’s introduction.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 10 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much—that is extremely helpful.

Ms Duncan and Mr McKinlay, I understand that there are positives, and please feel free to speak about those if you want to. However, I want to pick up on some of the points that you made in your submission. You said that

“this Bill as currently drafted does not fulfil the vision of the Independent Care Review when it concluded in 2020”.

You also spoke about a lack of engagement. I have particular concern about the part of your submission that said

“Concerns have been raised about the process to develop this Bill”,

and that there was an

“absence of engagement before it was laid in June.”

That is quite damning of a Government that has known that the bill was coming.

I would have expected and assumed that there would be pretty good engagement prior to the bill’s introduction. However, you suggested that that was not the case, Ms Duncan.