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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

This problem is not an issue of conflict with the UK Government; it is because part of the bill—sections 1 and 2, and section 10—amend the Children (Scotland) Act 1995. You are saying that the UK Government could maybe write off some of the legislation—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

That is what I am saying. Your answer seemed to be about the UNCRC in general rather than about this bill, which could be sorted with amendments at stage 2 without any further involvement from the UK Government.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

No. I am sorry, minister, but the committee has received that evidence, and you said that you have followed our evidence. If I was in your shoes, I would have thought that this was clearly an area that I was going to be challenged on. You cannot come here and say that you will now look into it. I would really like to know now why your engagement, in COSLA’s eyes, has been so poor with regard to a bill on which I would have expected it to be working hand in glove with you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Sorry—I am lost now. How can you say that the ministerial code prevents you from doing something before the bill is presented to Parliament but, in the same answer, also say that you engaged widely before it was introduced to Parliament?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

Okay.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

So, minister, you have seen it, but your official has not.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

I will bring in Pam Duncan-Glancy.

10:15  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

But do you accept that you are not answering those challenges? You have told the committee that the consultation closed less than a month ago, so you do not have that information for us. I accept that, but you could have had that information. Was there a blockage? Was there something that meant that you, as the minister, knowing what you were putting in the bill before it was introduced to Parliament, could not have consulted? Was there a legal problem? Was there a problem with officials?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

But that explanation was, “We’re not going to change it”.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Douglas Ross

You are at the committee today saying that you are not sure where COSLA’s concerns stem from, but those concerns have been in black and white, in writing, for months. Why are you now saying that you will go away and speak to COSLA, given that you and your officials saw what it had said in its written submission on the bill?