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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 November 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Clare Adamson

Cabinet secretary, please continue.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Clare Adamson

Well, we do have a duty to be courteous and respectful.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Clare Adamson

I have a final question. Historic Environment Scotland is a relatively new organisation. It has only been in existence following the merger of Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland and Historic Scotland in 2015. I would like some reassurance that the problems have not been endemic since that time. It had a difficult time during Covid, where revenues were cut and it could not open the facilities, which had a devastating impact on its business model at that time. Did the problems start occurring after Covid?

On the core function, one of the biggest threats to HES is heritable skills, which are vital. I know that some colleges have expressed concern that it is not engaging as much with colleges in terms of heritable skills coming through, although I know that it has its own training centres as well.

The current issues will not have helped to enthuse anyone to come and work or seek a modern apprenticeship in HES, given what has happened. How do you reset that position? HES also has the climate challenge, which is having an impact on places such Arbroath abbey. We have not seen this in the past, but climate change is having a bigger impact.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Clare Adamson

Thank you, cabinet secretary. I will open by asking about the staff at HES and the impact that the situation will have had on staff morale and relationships between leadership and the general staff. How are the staff being supported at this time? Is there an active relationship between the unions and HES that will enable them to move forward together in addressing the cultural issues that have been identified?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Clare Adamson

Mr Halcro Johnston—please. I am requesting that every member let the witness give an answer.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Clare Adamson

Sorry—I am chairing the meeting. Mr Halcro Johnston, I have asked you not to interrupt the cabinet secretary when he is giving an answer.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Clare Adamson

Mr Kerr, please.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Clare Adamson

Good morning and a warm welcome to the 28th meeting in 2025 of the Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee. Our first agenda item is to take further evidence on Historic Environment Scotland. We are joined by Angus Robertson, the Cabinet Secretary for Constitution, External Affairs and Culture, and Kenneth Hogg, director of culture and external affairs at the Scottish Government. A warm welcome to you both. Cabinet secretary, I believe that you have an opening statement.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Clare Adamson

Mr Kerr, the cabinet secretary has—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 6 November 2025

Clare Adamson

Mr Kerr, please do not interrupt witnesses. The question was asked; the answer is on the record. Can we move on to the next question?