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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Liz Smith

Based on your research on other policy areas, is it feasible to have that data and a recommendation on how much the policy would cost in a fairly short timescale?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Liz Smith

That is helpful.

The Scottish Government has said that it

“will continue to take a responsible and capable approach to Scotland’s finances as new budget pressures emerge.”

This committee said:

“We do not consider that to be an adequate response and therefore repeat our request that the Scottish Government now carries out this full assessment.”

When it comes to major decisions, particularly on social security, which, as you have rightly said, is an increasing element of the Scottish budget, do you share the committee’s concern that that information was not provided quickly?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Liz Smith

I am referring to the fact that you did not have enough information about how the policy might be implemented.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Liz Smith

Given that the two-child cap has been in place for some time, technically the Scottish Government could have made that decision before now, so did it surprise you to suddenly get that information?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Liz Smith

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26 and Economic and Fiscal Forecasts

Meeting date: 10 December 2024

Liz Smith

You indicate that, on 7 January, you will publish a policy document entitled “Mitigating the two-child limit and the Scottish budget”. I assume that that prediction is based on the data that the Scottish Government would need to have from the Department for Work and Pensions being available by that time.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 December 2024

Liz Smith

In the previous two sessions, the committee received pretty convincing evidence of how successful the Scottish child payment has been. Witnesses provided sufficient qualitative and quantitative evidence as to why that is the case, notwithstanding some of the issues on uptake that Mr Doris raised, with a few people missing out.

Cabinet secretary, I am interested in what criteria you are using to establish that a policy has been successful when you come to measure its effectiveness and the modelling that you have undertaken. This morning, you indicated in your opening remarks that you feel that there are lessons to be learned from how successful the Scottish child payment has been. What are those lessons, and what criteria are you using to try to establish which other aspects—whether they are to do with housing, closing the attainment gap in schools or free school meals—can be used to measure the effectiveness of policy making?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 December 2024

Liz Smith

I want to relate my question to child poverty. As you rightly say, cabinet secretary, the Scottish Government has that as a key priority. The Scottish Government’s projections, which are obviously built with the child poverty priority in mind, are completely out of step with the Scottish Fiscal Commission’s projections. The key question for the Scottish Government to be able to answer is where the money comes from because, if we are to tackle child poverty, we obviously must have the money available to do it. I am interested in the discrepancy between the Scottish Government’s figures and what the Scottish Fiscal Commission has projected.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 December 2024

Liz Smith

Absolutely. The JRF has done fantastic work on the matter. The common theme that came through the evidence from all the witnesses in the previous two panels is that we need an evidence base. It is no good the Scottish Government—or any Government; not just the Scottish Government—deciding on a priority unless there is a good-quality evidence base for what works most effectively to, in this case, bring children out of poverty and ensure that the resources, which are extremely scarce at the moment, are targeted at those who are most in need. I think that you accept that, cabinet secretary.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Child Poverty (Scotland) Act 2017 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 5 December 2024

Liz Smith

I have a quick follow-up question. The Scottish Fiscal Commission’s projections stated that there would be an uplift of around £580 million between this financial year and next financial year. In the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government’s budget statement, the projection for the spend on social security has gone up to £800 million, which is a huge difference. How will that be funded?