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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 July 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

My final point is on the $64 million question. The Scottish Fiscal Commission has just published new costs relating to mitigation of the two-child cap. It says that the cost will be £155 million and will rise to £198 million by 2029-30. That means that social security spend in Scotland, which is already something like £529 million more than the money that is secured for devolved benefits, will go up. Where will the money come from to meet the commitments that the Scottish Government has set out?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

When we are talking about very considerable increases, it is important that we try to work out the reasons behind them. If there are two categories, it is important that we get to the bottom of that.

At the Finance and Public Administration Committee this week, the Auditor General told us that Audit Scotland is doing some work—which I think will be published in July—on the factors that are creating the increase in relation to the adult disability payment. What do you expect the findings of that study to be?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

Where will the money come from?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

Thank you.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

Thank you, convener. I apologise to you, cabinet secretary, but I am to give evidence to another committee at 10.15, so I will have to leave early. I am not walking out on you, but I will have to leave in order to present evidence in committee room 3.

I will begin on the topic of child disability payments, for which there is currently £450 million in this year’s budget. The statistics that we are being given for next year’s budget show that it will go up to £618 million, which is an increase of 37 per cent—which, I have to say, is a very considerable increase.

Will you comment on why there is such a substantial increase in that part of the budget over the course of just one year, especially when adult disability payments are going up by around 11 per cent and when the 37 per cent is far in excess of what is happening elsewhere in the UK?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Liz Smith

The Fiscal Commission has said that the number of people who are not coming off the case load is quite substantial. Is that a concern to the Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Liz Smith

Mr Boyle, I refer back to Mr Marra’s earlier questions, when he—quite rightly—focused on some of the concerns that we have as a committee about how we seem to be standing still. Your report “Fiscal sustainability and reform in Scotland”—particularly in paragraph 6, in which you say that you have difficulty in being able to scrutinise some aspects of the fiscal situation because you are missing documents and there is not enough transparency—encapsulates our frustrations. We have heard similar concerns from the Scottish Fiscal Commission. This committee has issued several reports over recent years setting out our real, serious difficulty in relation to the lack of transparency and accountability. Do you think that Parliament having a finance bill, which obviously we do not have right now, might help with transparency and accountability?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Liz Smith

I have, but because we are not making any progress, I want to ask it again.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Liz Smith

That is an interesting point, because there is a difference between having the right data available and scrutinising that data. Do you think that there are problems in both departments? Namely, is there some data lacking that we really must have to hand to enable us to be more effective in our budget scrutiny, or is there something lacking in the scrutiny process, or is it perhaps both?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 January 2025

Liz Smith

They are linked.