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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Liz Smith

That is helpful. I was aware of that circumstance, but thank you for raising it, Mr McGuire.

Witnesses who have attended the committee have put it to us that one of the reasons for the increasing demand for public inquiries is because of the failure of some public services. I think that it was John Campbell KC who said to us that inquiries are a convenient way for politicians to say, “Well, it’s not on our desk now—it’s off to a public inquiry.” Do you agree that the reason for the increase is that there is evidence that more of the public services, particularly in health, are not functioning as well as they should be?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Liz Smith

My concern is that, when public services have not been functioning as well as they should have been, particularly when that is over a long period of time, the trust of the victims and people who will be involved in a public inquiry will be diminished. They will feel a complete lack of trust, which makes it difficult for the public inquiry to try to regain that trust. For a public inquiry to work well, it is essential that the victims have trust in the process. If that trust has already been diminished because they feel that they have been let down badly by public services, it is difficult to get it back.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Liz Smith

There seems to be a growing number of public inquiries in which it is a likely possibility that the terms of reference will have to be modified or expanded because of the fact that new information comes out through various victim statements. If victims feel that, over a long period of time, they have been undermined in the way that their cases have been approached, it is important that the terms of reference can reflect their interests as well as those of the Government minister who set up the public inquiry. Is that something that you are concerned about?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Liz Smith

That approach is important, so that nothing is kept under cover because of constitutional arrangements.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Liz Smith

I want to ask you about the second part of the statement that you gave on 2 September and what you have said this morning about identifying programmes that are proven to work. You have given some examples of where the Government has some focus. The convener suggested that there is a corollary to that. I know that you are not going to reveal any details about the budget, but if there are programmes that are clearly not working and have not been working through previous budgets, what action will the Government take in areas where the spending has not provided the outcomes that the Government would like? Is the Scottish Government in a position to say, “Here are the programmes that are working well, and here is the evidence that supports that, but here is evidence that other programmes are not working well and where money could be saved or, in some cases, transferred”? Is the Government at that stage?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Liz Smith

Is that with a view to making cuts in certain areas?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Liz Smith

Do you feel that those very difficult decisions are sufficiently transparent? It is an extremely difficult task for the Government, in tight fiscal circumstances, to make the right decisions about what is working well and what is not working well. Is there sufficient transparency in the evidence on which policies are most effective in delivering for the Government and which policies are not effective and should therefore potentially be scrapped?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Liz Smith

It is just like your manifesto of 2021.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Liz Smith

Cabinet secretary, in the first instance, I want to explore some of your responses to Mr Gibson when you were talking about some of the commitments that you are prioritising. I note that, when you came before the committee on 2 September, you said that the Scottish Government is prioritising those most in need as well as programmes that are proven to work.

Let me break that down into its two component parts, the first of which is those most in need. The convener has put it to you that colleges could, perhaps, be defined as a group most in need. What criteria is the Scottish Government using for a budget that will be presented under very tight fiscal arrangements, and what criteria are ministers using to try to examine who those most in need are when it comes to pursuing economic growth and better outcomes?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Liz Smith

There are issues around the data set. We were told at the start of this parliamentary session that certain aspects of data, in particular on the labour market, do not exist. That obviously makes life difficult for the Government.

This is my final question. On 2 September, you intimated that you would not be able to roll out policies such as free school meals on the universal basis that you would have liked to, because of fiscal constraints. Will you hold off rolling out policies in other areas, or, in some cases, will you roll policies back, because you do not have the money to finance them?