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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

It seems ridiculous that we want to see progress but that, as Leigh Johnston said, it is difficult to track it. That is an absurd situation. I am not asking you to respond to that; that is my view: it is absurd.

I will ask you about something else. This came up when we were questioning NHS Forth Valley health board. It has had its problems, but it broke even because it received extra money from the Government. In effect, it was bailed out. That has happened to other boards. Therefore, all the boards have broken even but some of them have had extra money. As you said, Auditor General, there is an overreliance, as we saw with Forth Valley, on non-recurring savings. Do we have a situation that is not sustainable?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

I will be brief, because I know that other members will want to come in, but I have a final question. Did your report look at general practice?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

I will turn to Mr Brannen first. Mr Beattie asked about taxable benefits, and we heard that commission staff were able to claim for glasses, for example. Do such benefits exist in the rest of the Scottish Government?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

That might involve more than just eye tests; there might be other benefits.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

You said earlier that you were not sure whether any other part of Government gave Christmas gifts to staff.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Will you go away and check whether that applies to all the people who work underneath you?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Okay. I want to go back to the Harvard trip, Mr Rathjen. Have I pronounced your name correctly?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Have you got rid of those corporate credit cards? You said that they were “frozen”. Does that mean that you are getting rid of them?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

One problem with the system is that people were able to go out and spend money and were not asked to provide receipts. For example, we heard that the former chief executive went for a meal with a water industry person from New Zealand in October 2022 at the Champany Inn near Linlithgow, and that the total cost for that meal for two was £402.41. I have been struggling to work out how you could arrive at such a figure for two people. Before I get into it, do you know what was eaten or consumed that night?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Yes. I have been looking at the menu at that fine establishment, and if you picked the most expensive item for starter, main course and dessert, you would get cold-smoked salmon at £12.95 a head, then move on to the chateaubriand, which is £16 per 100g, so if you got the minimum weight of 800g, that would be £128 for two people, then you would move on to a cheese course at £14.50 each. That all adds up to £202.90 for food, so where has the rest of the expenditure come from? Somebody should have queried the bill.