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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Graham Simpson

Millions of pounds?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Graham Simpson

Mr Reekie, do you know the answer?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Graham Simpson

Convener, I was just looking at the BBC article that you referred to, with the list of 11 projects that are due to end and which would require a payment to be made. Six of those are in the health area, including a number of hospitals. We do not have the people with the relevant expertise here today, but I am just putting on the record that I think it would be worth the committee delving into those contracts. One of the hospitals—University hospital Wishaw—is in the region that we both represent, but there are others that we could look at. It might be worth our doing further work on that, but, as I do not expect the witnesses who are before us today to answer questions in that regard, I will leave it there.

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Graham Simpson

Mr Reekie, the mutual investment model has been mooted as a way of funding part of the A9. Have you managed to have a look at the mutual investment model, and what do you see as the differences between that model and what has gone before?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Graham Simpson

Mr Rennick, what will be the cost of bringing the Police Scotland College in East Kilbride back into the public sector?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Graham Simpson

Are we talking millions?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Graham Simpson

Okay. I think this question applies to all the contracts that are due to end and that have a payback attached to them. What happens if there is no agreement? If the public sector just says, “That is far too much. We cannot afford it. Go away”?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Graham Simpson

I am afraid that that is very simplistic. Let us take the Police College in East Kilbride as an example. Police Scotland is up against it, financially—I mean, it cannot even renew police stations or police cars. If Police Scotland is expected to pay millions of pounds at the end of that contract, there is surely a risk that it will not be able to afford that final payment. So, what happens in that case?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Graham Simpson

That is the risk, is it not, with these contracts? It all sounds good right at the start, but we get to the end and suddenly the financial situation is different. As I say, Police Scotland is not awash with cash, so we could get to a position in 2026-27 where it says, “We cannot afford the payment. We are going to have to hand this asset back.”

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Graham Simpson

Will you remind me—I did not quite catch it—what change is taking place on 1 December?