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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Graham Simpson

I was looking at the annual audit report on WICS for 2023-24. I do not know whether you have it in front of you, but page 33 says:

“Our targeted regularity testing identified 18 additional items of non-compliant expenditure, totalling £23,764, between April and December 2023.”

You mentioned that already. The report goes on to list some of those 18 additional items. I will not list them all, but I will mention a few. There were:

“Travel and accommodation costs of £1,441 for the KC”

—the King’s counsel, who was on a retainer—

“travelling to Edinburgh for a meeting with the former Chief Executive which were paid directly by the Commission rather than being invoiced”.

I will take that item alone. How did they manage to rack up a bill of £1,400 for travel and accommodation?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Graham Simpson

That would be useful.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Graham Simpson

Thanks.

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

Do they exist?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

My reading is that it is all very well to have the mission, but given the figures that we have already discussed, it has not been a roaring success, so far. That is just my view.

I want to move on to discuss the clear link between poverty and drug deaths. In 2021, National Records of Scotland made clear the link between the two. It produced a report that stated:

“In 2020, after adjusting for age, people in the most deprived areas were 18 times as likely to have a drug-related death as those in the least deprived areas … That ratio has almost doubled in 20 years. In the early 2000s, those in the most deprived areas were around 10 times as likely to have a drug-related death as those in the least deprived areas.”

Things have got worse, really. Why do you think things have got worse?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

It strikes me that it would be interesting to find out why it has happened, because there seems to have been a shift. I am sure that it is complicated, but it would be good to understand what has led to that shift and whether we can learn anything from it.

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

The national mission is due to end in 2026. What is the national mission and what has it achieved?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

Okay. I did not want to leave the Auditor General out of this, so I will quote from his report, which says:

“In 2022/23, people in the most deprived areas of Scotland were seven times more likely to be admitted to hospital for an alcohol-related condition than those in the least deprived areas”.

I think that we are all agreed on that, but it strikes me that the NHS and the alcohol and drug partnerships are having to pick up the pieces for a failure to improve the general wealth of the nation. If poverty is embedded in some communities and is not getting any better, it is you guys who will have to pick up the pieces. I was therefore concerned to read in the Auditor General’s report about an 8 per cent decrease in real-terms funding for ADPs over two years. Why was that done, given that we have such deep-seated problems?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

How can you link minimum unit pricing to admissions to hospital?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

Graham Simpson

If we have this divergence between Scotland and England, at some point, people will start to react to that. In fact, I read in The Sunday Post at the weekend that we are getting “booze runs”, which used to refer to people who live on the south coast hopping across the Channel to stock up on cheaper drink, but which now appears to be happening in Scotland—certainly in the south of Scotland. People are driving across to Carlisle, filling their boots and driving back.