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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 September 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

My thoughts are that, if we accept that there is a two-step process for constituency members—we might not—then we should be consistent and have a similar process for regional members. If we were to change to a one-step process for regional members—in which case we would not have the 10 per cent threshold; we would just do away with that—we would have only one vote on whether that person should stay or go. If we did that, however, why would we not have a one-step process for a constituency member and go straight to a by-election?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I accept that. The question is fair, but it throws up other questions. All that I am saying is that to go down that route throws up other questions.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I think that it is enough that somebody is incarcerated.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I think that somebody would have to be in jail.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

No.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I know. I really do not think that the threat of a fearsome whip is enough, to be honest. Actual hard-and-fast rules need to be set down, otherwise the scenario that I have set out is possible. What if somebody just decided to ignore you, Ms Mackay?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

It is an area that should be looked at further, but it should be left to regulations.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I do not think that it would be strong enough. The code of conduct can be easily changed, so anything that you did now could be changed later.

My starting point was the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973, which applies to councillors and which I mentioned earlier. It seemed to me that, if we have a law that requires a certain level of attendance by councillors, we really ought to have the same for MSPs. However, as you know, there is currently nothing in that regard.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

No, I do not think so. The provision aims to capture people—I am not going to name names—who have just decided that they are not going to come in. It has happened in councils and it will happen here. I hope that it is a rare event, but people are people—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

The parliamentary authorities would have to come up with a system for monitoring attendance. I am not going to lay that out in detail—I do not think that that would be right. This committee would certainly have a role if somebody was falling foul of the requirement to attend, and we have to trust the members of this committee to keep issues private, as they do—I think that this committee works very well.

In previous meetings, the issue arose of whether, in such cases, this committee should have lay members, so that decisions could be de-politicised. The bill does not address that, but it is perhaps something that should be considered.