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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Do you know how many?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Are the four or five referrals that you mentioned in Scotland or across the UK?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Has there ever been a cost benefit analysis of the national fraud initiative?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Is that something that should be considered going forward?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Okay. The convener wants me to ask about specific areas, and I am quite happy to do that.

If we look at payroll, there has been an issue with including—or not including—immigration data. I noted that it had not been included in two years—2018-19 and 2020-21. You had some comments on that. What would be the value of including that sort of data?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

So, that is because of the Home Office.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Audit Scotland has commented previously that immigration data could, for example, help to identify students who are getting funding from the Student Awards Agency for Scotland when they are not entitled to it. That is quite important, is it not?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

Right. It seems to be really important to have that information. Just to accept the situation—just to accept what the Home Office is saying—is maybe not the right approach. Maybe somebody should be going back to the Home Office to say, “This information is almost vital to this exercise, so could you provide it?” Can you test it again?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

At the least, it could ask.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2024”

Meeting date: 26 September 2024

Graham Simpson

I am happy to leave it there for now, convener.