The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.
All Official Reports of meetings in the Debating Chamber of the Scottish Parliament.
All Official Reports of public meetings of committees.
Displaying 2811 contributions
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Graham Simpson
Why is that? Why does the DWP have the ability to follow the client’s journey when we do not?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Graham Simpson
Do you mean that it is a choice not to follow the client’s journey?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Graham Simpson
Do we know why that is? Your report seems to suggest that the Scottish Government does not know the drivers of that.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Graham Simpson
It really comes down to what the benefit is for, what it is meant to achieve and whether it actually does that. Is the Scottish Government perhaps not doing well enough when it comes to measuring outcomes for individuals?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Graham Simpson
Okay, that is interesting.
Erin, you mentioned the difference between the take-up rate in England and Wales and that in Scotland. In England and Wales, 5.3 per cent of the working-age population get PIP, and 8 per cent of the Scottish working-age population get ADP. You also said that 8 per cent got PIP in Scotland. Is that correct? Have I picked you up right?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Graham Simpson
I was struck by exhibit 11, which is about
“Scottish census results indicating additional demands on ADP.”
It goes through a number of things, such as long-term illness, disease or condition, mental health conditions, physical disability and so on. Between 2011 and 2022, health has got worse in Scotland on all those indicators. How does that compare to the data in England and Wales? Is it the same picture there?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Graham Simpson
I suppose that it goes back to my first question. Some of the figures are actually quite stark: in 2011, 4.4 per cent of the population had a mental condition, and it was up to 11.3 per cent in 2022; the figures for long-term illness, disease or condition have gone up from 18.7 per cent to 21.4 per cent; and there is even an increase in the percentage of the population with physical disabilities.
If that trend continues, the demands for ADP will increase. If, for some reason, things are managed differently—and improved—in England and Wales, the gap will widen, will it not? Ultimately, it comes down to whether there are other ways to reduce demand that involve making the population healthier.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Graham Simpson
I have one more question, which is about the redetermination rates for ADP. The rates are higher than they are for PIP, but appeal success rates are lower. What does that tell us about whether ADP decisions are delivering accurate decisions the first time? Does more specific analysis need to be done?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 1 October 2025
Graham Simpson
I want to pick up on that interesting line of questioning. If there were changes to PIP that, let us say, made it harder to get PIP, would that increase the budget gap that you describe in your report?