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Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 17 December 2025
Graham Simpson
When we think about public service reform—and you are always talking about public service reform—and when we look at the number of devolved public bodies, do you see an opportunity for making savings? There are a lot of bodies. Some functions could be merged, as could some bodies, and some bodies that are maybe not so necessary could be got rid of. Have you done any analysis on that?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 17 December 2025
Graham Simpson
Thank you convener. [Interruption.] My microphone seems not to be working. It is now.
I will stick to the theme and ask about Historic Environment Scotland, which appears in the consolidated accounts. As you said earlier, you have produced a report on it, which was out yesterday. I was aghast when I read it. It reminded me of WICS and the work that we did on that. Some aspects of the report were very familiar.
HES had no chief executive or accountable officer for six months. There were other aspects that I found very concerning, and that is concerning in itself.
Complimentary tickets were dished out for events at HES venues almost willy-nilly. I do not know how many people were involved.
There were over 400 electronic purchasing cards—maybe there still are—and one in four members of staff had those cards.
There were some specific examples of wholly inappropriate spending, including on a leaving do for a board member. Public money was used for somebody’s leaving do, including for a bar bill. I think that some of that was repaid. Some money was spent on a replacement kitchen. I do not know whether that was somebody’s personal kitchen or whether it was at an HES venue—it is not clear—but that bust the spending limit. There was also £2.9 million on the cancelled archive house project in Bonnyrigg.
Then we have—and this was very familiar from the WICS report—spending on foreign travel, almost half of which was not properly authorised. It gives the impression of an organisation in which controls are lax; in fact, spending was out of control. Would you concur with my analysis?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 17 December 2025
Graham Simpson
Thank you. I will finish with a question on public sector pay policy. You mention it in paragraph 58, which I think is a significant paragraph. It refers to that policy, but the Government ignored the policy and rolled over to the unions. [Interruption.] Yes, I did not think that the convener would like that one, but that is what happened. As you say in the report,
“This introduces additional recurring financial pressures in the short term and has not mitigated the future year risks given many of the two-year deals agreed include inflation guarantees.”
Presumably, you think that the approach taken there is unsustainable.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 17 December 2025
Graham Simpson
Thank you—and I say to the convener that I am sorry for annoying him.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 17 December 2025
Graham Simpson
Okay. I know that you are going to come back and that we will ask you about it in more detail, but I wonder whether you know anything about the nature of the foreign travel that was undertaken. What were those trips for? Do you have any information about that?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 10 December 2025
Graham Simpson
Will that impact on the services that it can deliver?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 10 December 2025
Graham Simpson
Just to be clear, this year it looks like it will be £11.4 million short?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 10 December 2025
Graham Simpson
Of course, I welcome the fact that the board did not need brokerage, but that masks bigger problems. There is the fact that it has had to rely on non-recurring savings. In the year that you have looked at, £18.9 million of the £36.1 million savings were recurring, so the rest were non-recurring. That is quite a significant figure, is it not?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 10 December 2025
Graham Simpson
Thanks, convener. I will leave it there.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 10 December 2025
Graham Simpson
The report focuses on mental health, quite rightly, but there is a section that deals with the general financial situation in NHS Tayside. We have discussed the financial situation of other boards.
Other boards have had to have brokerage from the Scottish Government—another way of putting that would be that they have been bailed out—but luckily NHS Tayside did not need any of that in 2024-25 to break even. However, it did rely on non-recurring savings and there were some late allocations. For me, that poses a bit of a risk. Do you agree?