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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Graham Simpson

Would it be possible for a minister to step in before that and say that the scheme should end?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Graham Simpson

So WICS has a role. It will say yes—

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay. Thanks.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Graham Simpson

That does sound a lot.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Graham Simpson

Scottish Water is about to whack up our bills by nearly 10 per cent, while paying bonuses to executives.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay. He also said that he felt “consistent” and “considerable” pressure to pursue international revenue.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay. Now, I mentioned Ms Ashford and I am not going to go into her case but I understand that she is no longer with the business. I am not asking about the details but am I right that she is not with the business any more?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Graham Simpson

That is fine. I am not going to ask you about it.

In these evidence sessions—by the way, I hope that this is our last session with you, and you probably think the same—we have heard about various instances of what I might describe as lavish spending. At the last meeting we asked about the money paid to the KC who was on a retainer. We had a figure of travel and accommodation costs in 2023-24 for this KC of £1,441—it does not sound like a big number, but we asked for a breakdown. We received a breakdown of that from the Auditor General, which was very helpful. Of that, £543 was for two nights’ accommodation in Edinburgh in July 2023—that does sound like a lot—and £384 was for return flights from London to Edinburgh, also in July and for the same trip. I would query that. That is a lot. He obviously did not fly on a budget airline or take the train, which would have been cheaper. There is £514 for a meal in London in October 2023 at a restaurant called Smith & Wollensky—the Auditor General has put “Woltensky”—which seems to be a rather high-end steakhouse; that is £541 for three people, which is £177 each. In a previous meeting, I read out a menu with prices. I am not going to do that now, but I have checked the menu and it would be very easy to rack up such a bill at that restaurant. The question we have asked repeatedly is: is this sort of expenditure is appropriate?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Graham Simpson

Good. Well, we agree on that. I am going to finish by asking about the area that Colin Beattie was exploring, which is the fundamental question of why we need an economic regulator. I suppose this is a question for you, Mr Brannen and maybe Mr Hinds. If WICS did not exist, would we notice the difference?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Graham Simpson

Before Mr Hinds comes in, I put it to you that WICS is essentially regulating a Scottish Government body and WICS itself is a Scottish Government body. If we got rid of one level of regulation, Scottish Water could perhaps just report to you as the sponsorship team, and you could regulate it.