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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 December 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

If the shareholder was not putting pressure on you to do it, why did you do it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

Right. So it did not come from the shareholder.

You said earlier—these are your words—that it was a unique situation. There is nothing unique about companies getting into trouble, as you describe it, having to make changes and, potentially, making redundancies. There is absolutely nothing unique in that. The difference with this situation is that any other company would have gone through proper process, so why did you not?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

P&O Ferries

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

I have a final question. Natalie Don asked you whether you would be prepared to accept £5.50 an hour. I do not think that you would be, because I have done a quick calculation based on your basic pay and not bonuses, and you are on a princely £156 an hour. That is pretty good going. How do you think the sacked workers think of you when they look at that rate of pay?

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Topical Question Time

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Graham Simpson

Jim McColl will be surprised to hear that he is being accused of shifting the blame. We need some straight answers to straight questions. Was it Keith Brown who approved the contract for the ferries? Why was CMAL’s advice not to go ahead ignored? Given that Jim McColl has said today that he would not have proceeded had he known of those concerns, should the Government not have told him?

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Ferries

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Graham Simpson

Will the member take an intervention?

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Ferries

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Graham Simpson

Does Ariane Burgess agree, therefore, that we need to increase the budget for ferry replacement, so that we can get more ferries?

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Ferguson Marine (Port Glasgow) Holdings Limited

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Graham Simpson

I thank the cabinet secretary for the advance sight of her statement and a copy of the letter from Ferguson’s that was sent to the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee.

The Auditor General’s report is scathing. It should make uncomfortable reading for ministers and, frankly, they should be ashamed. We now learn from the cabinet secretary that, as well as further delays, extra costs of at least £8.7 million will be involved in the project to deliver ferries 801 and 802.

I am not going to give a big preamble, because we will come to a debate on ferries later, so I have just a few questions. Based on what the cabinet secretary has told us and what is in the Auditor General’s report, there is a bit of confusion over costs. The Auditor General says that

“the total cost of the ... project is currently estimated to be at least £240 million”,

which is significantly more than the cabinet secretary told us.

In addition to that, who is to blame for the cabling problem? I might have this wrong, but the cabinet secretary seems to suggest that it was the people who put the cabling in. I do not think that that is true. I think that the problem happened after the cables went in. Can the cabinet secretary give a clear and simple answer to that question?

Finally, on the report from the Auditor General, why did ministers ignore CMAL’s advice not to award the contract to Ferguson’s? Will the cabinet secretary now agree to hold a public inquiry?

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Ferries

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Graham Simpson

No.

There was then the £45 million loan to FMEL; we do not know what good that did. As things went belly up, the Government decided to nationalise the yard, but it had absolutely no idea what the condition of the boats was when it did so, so it could not have predicted how costs would rise.

Despite advice from PWC, there was no exit strategy—a bit like the situation with Prestwick airport. That is scandalous. Throughout the process, the various parties have been squabbling like children, unable to get on. There have been a string of disasters, with the latest being the discovery that the cables that were fitted on the vessel that was launched with blacked-out windows by Nicola Sturgeon in 2017 are now too short.

No one has accepted blame for that, or for anything in this fiasco. Ministers and others—including the highly paid and mistitled turnaround director—have moved on, but nobody’s head has rolled. That is the problem. There is no accountability—none—not just in Ferguson’s, but in the entire ferry system and especially in Government. To get to the bottom of that, we need a public inquiry.

There is a telling sentence in the Audit Scotland report, which states:

“The two new vessels, and subsequent additions and disposals, were expected to reduce the average age of CMAL’s major vessel fleet from 21 years ... to 12 years by 2025.”

How are we doing on that? The average age of the CalMac Ferries Ltd fleet is 23 years. The situation has got worse, and nobody’s head has rolled. We need new ferries, and we need to increase the budget for that in order to catch up. Graeme Dey reckoned that it would take £1.5 billion over 10 years; we are saying that it requires £1.4 billion. That would create a pipeline of work that could herald a boost for Scottish shipbuilding.

This is not some obscure topic. Having an ageing and unreliable ferry fleet affects people’s lives. This week, I have been speaking to island campaigners on Arran, Mull and Iona. A psychotherapist told me that he is dealing with increasing numbers of stressed-out patients. Other people have said that they have not been able to get to hospital appointments, because they cannot book a car space less than a few weeks in advance. The situation is also affecting tourism.

I have heard of bare shelves in shops, and I have seen the photographic evidence. Farmers cannot get feed and cannot get their animals to market. It goes on. Kids cannot get to school. People are thinking of giving up island life altogether—under the SNP.

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Ferries

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Graham Simpson

I am grateful. Does the minister recognise concerns that £580 million is nowhere near enough and that the budget needs to be at least doubled?

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Ferries

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Graham Simpson

I say to Mr Gibson that ministers should listen to the experts. Perhaps if they had listened, we would not be in this mess, and we would not now be ordering ferries from Turkey.