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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

Is it a concern that we have such wide variation between councils? The figures are quite stark. In 2023, the proportion of pupils receiving ASL ranged from 20 per cent to 49 per cent between councils. That is quite a big gap, is it not? Stella, you mentioned that you are doing a project on data. Is that the kind of thing you are looking into? We really need to know why that is so that we can target the resources.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

Does there need to be greater consistency between councils on how they measure that?

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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

I have read that the board is not due to report until 2028. Is that correct?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

Will you manage to complete the rest of them by next year?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

A project needs to have an end result, however long it takes. It needs to lead to something.

When we talk about this subject, we always assume that we are talking only about youngsters who are struggling—let us put it that way—but one of the categories in the table is more able pupils, and we never talk about them. They also need extra help, but for a different reason.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

There is no point in collecting data for the sake of it.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

That takes us back to the point that Mr Beattie raised and his very interesting table. He did not say whether it is publicly available, but it is from East Lothian. The interesting thing for me is that the table lists 25 categories of reasons for pupils getting additional support for learning, and individual teachers are expected to pick up on all those things.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

How long will it take to do it? That is not a trick question. I am not trying to catch you out. Will it be one year or two years—what do you think?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

Finally, I want to ask about the ASL project board. Laura, I think that you are the co-chair of that.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

I am delighted to hear that, Mr Rennick. Whoever is on this committee in the next session of Parliament will be able to see how you have done. I will finish there, convener.