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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graham Simpson

If we look at pay deals, which are covered from paragraph 38 onwards of the Auditor General’s report and in exhibit 5, we see that some of them are frankly unsustainable. How will you be able to fund those in future years?

Public Audit Committee

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graham Simpson

What kinds of bids are coming in?

Public Audit Committee

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay. The Auditor General told us a bit more about how the Welsh Government undertakes forecasting and reporting at the evidence session that we had in December, and we were told that it

“published a strategic integrated impact assessment that looked at the impact that reductions in spending might have on different groups.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 5 December 2024; c 7.]

Is that something that you are looking to copy or adapt in some way?

Public Audit Committee

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graham Simpson

It might be the right objective, but the point that the report makes is that hitting that objective will take a lot more money than is likely to be there. That is the nub of it, is it not?

Public Audit Committee

“Fiscal sustainability and public reform in Scotland”

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Graham Simpson

To bring all that together, if we accept that there are funding gaps—for social security, the figure is not too distant from being a very big funding gap, and we have spoken about pay deals—and if the Scottish Government is to make such policy choices, which I accept are not yours but those of ministers, it will have to look at making savings or cuts in other areas, will it not?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Graham Simpson

I agree with you on that. Quite a few of the projects that Sustrans has delivered have been good, in my view. The south city way in Glasgow is a good project, although its delivery was shambolic at times, and it took far too long. Overall, however, it has been a good project. We cannot just say that some of those things are not good. There is evidence that people are using the south city way, certainly locally, and there is less car use, because people now have a viable alternative to get from one part of the city into the city centre on a segregated route. For me, that has worked.

Perhaps this is a question for you, Mr Bell. We are now moving to a new system of funding, where money will go directly to councils. How do you think that will work? One of the issues that you will be very familiar with in relation to some councils is lack of capacity. That is probably the case in rural councils in particular. You mentioned rural areas earlier. How do you think it will all work?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Graham Simpson

I am hearing some audio feedback, which Mr Bell got as well. I wonder whether that can be sorted.

I did not see anything in the consultation that was launched this week that said that the Government is dropping its target—did you?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay. I am not sure whether you agree with me there. I just think that the Government ought to be honest about it and say, “We’re never going to achieve this,” and either drop the target or change it.

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay; that is fine. That delivery plan—you could call it a route map; it is the same thing—has not appeared yet. You are saying that the Government needs to publish that. I do not think that it will. If the Government has dropped the target, it will not publish a route map to hit a target that it will not achieve. We will wait and see. If the Government were to publish such a plan, what level of detail needs to be in it?

Public Audit Committee

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Graham Simpson

I want to move on to the section about active travel funding. Transport Scotland recorded active travel funding as having been spent, but it was held in a delivery partner’s accounts. Transport Scotland did not check any documentary evidence that the £82.5 million had been spent on projects before authorising payments. That is pretty extraordinary, is it not?