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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Graham Simpson

I am not sure whether the member has the 2019 act in front of her. I do, and the minister herself has confirmed that she has the power—if she chooses to use it—to create further exemptions in regulations. Does the member think that the minister should do that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Graham Simpson

Oh, come on.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Graham Simpson

Will the minister give way?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Graham Simpson

Far from the minister saying that she will be prepared to, or could, call in schemes or direct councils on what the charges should be, she is clearly not prepared to do that.

She mentioned Nottingham, which is a very interesting example. Nottingham is about to increase what it charges companies. The reason for that—the minister, probably, and Mr Ruskell, certainly, will rejoice at this—is that the money that is taken in by the Nottingham scheme has gone down, because fewer people need parking spaces. Mr Ruskell will think that that is a good thing. However, in order to fill the gap, the council is increasing the charges. That leads us to the conclusion that, in Nottingham, the example so lauded by some people around this table, the charge is actually a money-making scheme.

If the minister wants to press ahead with the scheme, she should at least fix the cap element of the regulations. I am sure that she could do that.

Exemptions have been mentioned, and the Scottish Police Federation made some very strong comments about that. Calum Steele, its general secretary, fears that the charge could be passed on to rank-and-file police officers. However, if it were not to be passed on to them, it could hit overstretched police budgets.

Unions have come out against the scheme. Keir Greenaway, senior organiser for GMB Scotland, said that the lowest-paid workers would suffer at the worst possible time, with the rising cost of living. He is absolutely right.

As I pointed out two weeks ago, more than half of the employers in Nottingham have passed the parking levy, which is set to be nearly £500 a year per parking space, on to their staff. Some of those staff will be low paid. The scheme is a regressive tax.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Graham Simpson

I am aware of those three. You have just completely contradicted yourself—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 February 2022

Graham Simpson

It has been a very full debate, so I do not intend to delay the committee for much longer. I will simply make a couple of points. The first is a point that nobody has really addressed—the minister did not address it when I intervened on her; instead, she wanted to talk about Brexit. This is not the right time to introduce the instrument, because companies and employers are suffering. We need to be building back from the pandemic. The wrong way to do that is to impose extra taxes on employers, which could potentially be passed on to employees—that could well happen.

The matter of exemptions has been raised. The minister has the power to introduce exemptions, but it seems that she does not want to use it. That could cover people such as shift workers. I used to be a shift worker and I had to work in a city centre. There was a concern, particularly for some of my female colleagues, about having to walk through a city centre late at night. What about people who work in an industrial estate at night where there is no public transport? Their employer could well decide to pass on the parking levy to staff.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee [Draft]

Instruments subject to Negative Procedure

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Graham Simpson

Mr Sweeney makes a very good point. Too often, such changes are decided between public bodies such as Transport Scotland, councils and the police, and the public do not get to hear about any of it. It is worth highlighting that point to the lead committee.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Graham Simpson

I am quite astonished that the minister and her official have just confirmed that there is no limit whatever on what councils can charge for a licence. That will frighten the life out of businesses in Scotland.

Scottish Chambers of Commerce and Glasgow Chamber of Commerce—Glasgow is one of the cities in which the levy could be introduced—say that the levy should be scrapped or at least put on hold while we recover from the pandemic. Have you considered doing that, minister?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Graham Simpson

I am not scaremongering, and there is a difference between penalty charges—you are right to mention them, minister; I think that the maximum penalty charge for non-compliance is £5,000—and the licence charge, which is what I was asking about, and in relation to which you have confirmed that there is no upper limit. I will leave it there, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 February 2022

Graham Simpson

I go back to the Nottingham scheme on a point of information. Just more than half of companies that are involved in the scheme pass on the charge to their employees—that is a fact. That goes back to the convener’s first question. However, my question is on something different. Minister, I cannot see anything in the regulations or the parent act that sets a limit on what councils can charge for a licence. Can you help me there?