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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Graham Simpson
Good morning, Auditor General. This has been a bit of a sorry saga, to put it mildly. I do not want to go over the evidence that you gave last year, so I will not do that. Instead, I will concentrate on what is in your current report. As you said, the upshot is that the chair has gone and two highly respected public servants—the former principal and the interim clerk to the board—have lost their livelihoods. That is where we are at, and £800,000 has been spent so far. Where has the £800,000 come from?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Graham Simpson
That was not my question; my question was that the £800,000 that has been spent must have come from somewhere and—given the risk to the sector, at the moment—I would like to know which budget it has come from.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Graham Simpson
We have mentioned the former principal, who has been sacked, and the former interim clerk to the board has also gone. My understanding is that both will go to employment tribunals. We do not want to get into that, but there is a risk of extra costs to the college from that process—particularly if the individuals are successful. Do you know whether the college has budgeted for that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Graham Simpson
Absolutely, convener. I do not want to get into the rights and wrongs of anyone’s case; it is merely a financial risk that people need to be aware of, and that is why I raised it. We do not know where that situation will end up.
It emerged last week that South Lanarkshire Council and its leisure trust were involved in a case that went to tribunal and has cost them £800,000—the same figure as in South Lanarkshire College’s case—at the end of it, so such things can be enormously costly to public bodies.
There was a view in the sector, and when I say the sector I mean college principals, that that particular principal was—
In fact, let me rephrase that, because we do not want to get into the individual case. There was a concern from the college principals group that principals can be removed too easily if there is a falling-out with the board. If that happens, we can start to accrue the sort of costs that have been seen. Are you aware of that, Auditor General?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Graham Simpson
Cabinet secretary, earlier you said that there was no issue with the numbers. I would like to ask you about those. What is your estimate of what it will cost to complete hull 802, as opposed to what has been spent now?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Graham Simpson
Yes.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Graham Simpson
Another £70 million. Okay. I think that that will help the committee to assess value for money. We can probably figure out that it would be cheaper than £70 million to buy a new ferry elsewhere.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Graham Simpson
You have not identified where the money has come from or from which budget it has come, but it would be fair to say that, if the college had not spent that £800,000, it could have been spent on learning.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 June 2023
Graham Simpson
The group wrote to the former education secretary about that, but you have not seen that.
Let us talk about this case. Do you think that, if procedures had been put in place, we could have avoided getting to the position that we are—
Economy and Fair Work Committee
Meeting date: 21 June 2023
Graham Simpson
I will follow up on that last question from Colin Smyth about the Gresham House forestry fund, because I looked at your website, which says that 60 per cent of the fund will be directed to Scotland. Where is the rest going?