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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

Good morning, Mr Mackay.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

It is good to see you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

I am asking about the specific meeting at which Jim McColl said that you told him, “I cannot tell CMAL to get involved in mediation.”

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

Absolutely. Mr Middleton, at the start of the session, you described reporting the risks to ministers. Did I pick you up right in saying that it was only Derek Mackay to whom those were reported?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

In your recollection and view, those risks would have been reported to Derek Mackay and his then boss, Keith Brown.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

I have a final question, convener. What leaps out from the Auditor General’s report is that, despite the risks being reported, we do not know why ministers took the decision that they did. The Auditor General said that, when he wrote the report, there was “no documentary evidence”. Do you know why ministers ignored CMAL’s reservations?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

I accept that you had a holiday, but before you went on it there must have been discussions about the issue. Were you not involved in any discussions?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

Okay, so that is nothing to do with you, but what was to do with you was the ultimate decision to award the contract. Can I just be clear that you did know about the concerns of CMAL when you took that decision?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

Do you agree that this has been a shambles from start to finish?

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Future of Scottish Ferries

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Graham Simpson

I thank the minister for advance sight of her statement and the long-awaited project Neptune report. I first asked her to release the report on 24 February, and she said that she would. Had she released it then, I might have had time to digest it by now. It is quite a heavy read, as she recognised in her statement.

Had it been shared earlier, we could have had the kind of discussions that I am absolutely certain the minister wants to have. I will take part in any talks that she wants to set up. It would be hugely beneficial if we could all agree on what changes are needed to the way we do ferries. The clunky governance structure should change—it does not make sense to have the minister, Transport Scotland, CMAL and CalMac—because it does not deliver for islanders. Does the minister agree with that, and will she commit to changing the structure? I am not asking her what she wants that structure to be; I am asking whether she thinks it should change.

I will also ask about timescales, because there was nothing in the minister’s statement about that. What is her deadline for reform, what is her deadline for putting a new west coast contract out to tender—we are up against the clock on that—and what is her deadline for announcing a ramped-up ferry replacement programme, which is what we need so that we can improve ferries and get new ferries every single year?