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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 September 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay. That would be useful.

A letter was published yesterday by the public policy institute, Enlighten. It was written by 13 senior medical professionals and executives in Scotland. It was an open letter, published in the press and, I think, on Enlighten’s website. Top people have signed up to it. It says:

“We recognise that many people are well served by the NHS in Scotland, and that thousands of dedicated and hard-working people ensure that compassionate and effective, sometimes lifesaving, care is provided on a day-to-day basis. And yet, as has also been acknowledged, the current system of delivering health care and social care in Scotland is unsustainable, often stretched beyond capacity, overly complicated, difficult to navigate, often inefficient and is perceived as not always meeting the needs of people living in Scotland.”

There is a lot more to the letter, but it says—and this is where it relates to your report—that the NHS is “overly complicated”. The letter is potentially touching on governance, which is what your report is about. Could you explain why you think that governance is so important and why changing the governance and simplifying it will make a difference to the people who use the NHS in Scotland?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Thanks, chair. Have you finished your questions, chair?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Graham Simpson

That makes the point. You have five boards that have marked themselves down, and maybe they deserve to be marked down—I do not know—but having someone external to make sure that they are not being too hard on themselves would be useful. I will leave it there, convener, thank you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Graham Simpson

So, we have a project director who is an employee of the college and has been able to sign off payments to the company of which she is the director—stop me if I am getting any of this wrong, by the way. That seems to me a situation that is entirely wrong. Would you agree with that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Yes, please.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Graham Simpson

So the individual knew the former chair. Do you know what the nature of that relationship was?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Graham Simpson

They just knew each other.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Graham Simpson

You said that you struggled to get straight answers—or clear answers. Was “Why did you appoint that individual?” one of the questions that you asked?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I think that that is correct, convener.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay. None of this should have happened, so are there questions to be asked of the Scottish Funding Council? It does not seem to have had its eye on the ball. If it had, this would possibly not have happened in the first place. Are there lessons for other colleges to learn to prevent this kind of thing from happening in the future?