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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 October 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay. Well, let us pick somebody who has switched parties: Jamie Greene. If Jamie Greene were subject to a recall vote and he lost, he would be replaced by the next person on the Conservative list in the region that he was elected to.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

It would be difficult. There are some very large regions.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Let me put a different scenario to you. People switch parties for various reasons. They could have been mistreated by their current party. They might find coming into work a total nightmare and think that they cannot put up with it any longer. Would you punish somebody who was in that situation by subjecting them to a recall vote? I do not think that you would; it would not be fair.

People switch parties for a number of reasons that might not be about political opportunism. They could have absolutely genuine reasons. Somebody might just change their views. There could be a whole load of reasons, and we have to be careful before we go down that route.

It would also open up the wider question of why, if you are going to do something about somebody who is on the list switching parties, you would not do it for a constituency member.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

If you were to go down that avenue, you would need to explore that as well.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

It was not easy. I consulted, but I did not really have any answers—until I had a light-bulb moment. That sometimes happens to me—I come up with things.

I think that I have arrived at a solution—I am not saying that it is the only solution, but it is a solution. What I have proposed is a fair and proportionate solution. However, I accept that there will be different views on that; you might have a different view. I thought that the evidence that the minister gave on that last week was very good. He seemed to get what I am trying to achieve.

I am trying to be fair to everyone. It is really important that we treat regional and constituency members the same, as far as possible. We are talking about taking away somebody’s job, at the end of the day, and that is a big thing. That is why I have arrived at the system that I have arrived at. It is not possible to completely replicate the system for both types of member, but, as far as possible, I have tried to do that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

You are asking whether people should be able to disagree, and that is not an unreasonable proposal. Perhaps that could be explored at stage 2.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Let me put it this way. Let us say that a constituency MSP decides to stand down in disgrace. They do not bother with a recall; they just say, “Right, I’m off”—they have done something bad and they are going. What would happen then? There would be a by-election. Under your system—I am not saying that you are proposing this, but you are putting it to me as a question—there would be no by-election.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

We currently have MSPs with caring responsibilities. There are MSPs with young children, and they manage to make things work. The proposal does not penalise anyone. All that it is asking is that somebody physically come into the building once every six months. That is not too much to expect of an elected member of this Parliament.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I do not consider voters to be that easily confused. If a member was subject to a recall vote, there would be quite a lot of publicity around that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Sorry.