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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 March 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of Historic Environment Scotland”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Graham Simpson

Yes—as you have said earlier, you wanted to come back and you were prevented from coming back. You are back now.

I want to look at some of the things that you uncovered. One was the issuing of complementary tickets to events, which were dished out, I think, to HES staff. Other people would hire venues for events, and HES staff would get those tickets. Do you know what the scale of that was and what kind of events they were?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of Historic Environment Scotland”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Graham Simpson

Have you stopped it? Have you issued an edict to staff that they are not to do it again and that, if they go out, they have to buy their own drinks?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Graham Simpson

Hang on—I have not finished.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Graham Simpson

I understand that. You are so far down the road that you feel that you just need to finish the vessel. My question was: have you said to the yard that there are to be no more increases? I go back to my original point, which is that anything the yard asks for, it gets, and it knows that. We are the Public Audit Committee, so we have got to have an eye on such things, and so do you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”, and “Financial sustainability and taxes”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Graham Simpson

That is what I was getting at. That is not your fault; there are ministerial decisions and you are there to carry them out. I am not trying to catch you out.

I think that Mr FitzPatrick wants to come in.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of Historic Environment Scotland”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Graham Simpson

What was the temporary employee doing?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of Historic Environment Scotland”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Graham Simpson

Did you come under pressure to stop delving?

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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of Historic Environment Scotland”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Graham Simpson

Okay—you wanted a longer agenda. What items did you want on that agenda that other people did not?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of Historic Environment Scotland”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Graham Simpson

Okay. In the interests of time, I will move on.

When I asked about foreign travel in a previous meeting, we were given a few interesting examples. In one example, somebody was sent to teach traditional skills in America, and there were some digital round tables, which were also in America. However, the one that piqued my interest was the study of mortar in Norway. What was the justification for that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of Historic Environment Scotland”

Meeting date: 4 February 2026

Graham Simpson

I presume that somebody going to study mortar in Norway is not going to generate any money.