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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Graham Simpson

I have to say that I do not think that that is good enough if you are coming before the Public Audit Committee and you know that you are going to be asked that question. The Auditor General tends not to produce—and he has not produced—a long list of recommendations. They are pretty straightforward, and you have come here without an answer to that basic question.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Graham Simpson

Correct me if I am wrong but, Ms Fogarty, I think that you gave a figure earlier that just under half of the people who apply for the adult disability payment get it. Is that correct?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Graham Simpson

Over half of the people who apply do not get it. Why are they not getting it? Have you done any analysis of that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2025”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Graham Simpson

Colleges Scotland sets out a range of scenarios for the budget, one of which is flat cash, which it calls a “Decline” scenario. It then goes on to set out “Diminished”, “Survivable” and “Sustainable” scenarios.

If you look at the “Decline” scenario, which is flat cash, according to Colleges Scotland, 11 colleges would be at risk of running out of money and would not be able to cover operational costs. Those 11 colleges employ around 6,500 staff. There is a fear that some colleges could close in that scenario.

In your briefing, you mentioned that two colleges were bailed out—they were given extra money by the Government and will presumably have to pay it back. In previous evidence sessions, we were made aware of the Scottish Funding Council risk register, which highlighted that some colleges were at risk. Can you see a scenario in which colleges could close?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Graham Simpson

I am not asking about the UK system; I am asking why more than half of the people who apply for ADP do not get it. Is it because they have applied in good faith and have just got things wrong or are there some who have not applied in good faith and are chancing their arm, if I can put it that way?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Graham Simpson

I shall move on. Miriam, the convener always asks the same question at the start of such meetings, so you should have known that he was going to ask at the start of this meeting whether you accept the recommendations. Your answer appeared to be, “We have not considered them yet. We will get around to it”. However, the report was published in September, you knew that you were coming here and I would have thought that you would have had an answer to that very simple question. Why did you not?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay—you recognise them.

I am going to ask you about one of the key messages in the report that leads to a recommendation. Then I am going to put the recommendation to you to see whether you agree with it. It is about the funding gap, which we have already mentioned. The report highlights the funding gap, with spending exceeding what we get in block grant by £141 million in 2023-24—Mr Stevens confirmed that. It is forecast to reach £770 million by 2029-30. Implementation costs have so far exceeded initial estimates. Despite that, the Government has not set out a clear strategy to manage the gap or ensure long-term sustainability. How are you going to manage that gap? You said earlier—repeatedly—that ADP is fully funded.

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay.

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Graham Simpson

They have to know what it is that they are meant to be doing. Is the issue that the bodies do not actually know what they are meant to be doing to deliver on the commitment?

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Graham Simpson

Thank you. It is back to you, convener.