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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

Put me on the smart ticketing board and I will give you a hand.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay, but the Auditor General says, in paragraph 14 of his report:

“To achieve the target, car traffic levels will need to decrease by 7.3 billion kilometres”

—he has fallen into the kilometres trap there—

“to 29.3 billion compared to a 2019 baseline. The last time car traffic levels were at this level was in 1994.”

That spells out just how tough it is—not just for you, but for councils—does it not?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

The target was always challenging, was it not? Some people might say that it was unrealistic.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

You do not have to be wrong. Transport Scotland can get it right by using miles in all its documentation. That is what it should do. Anyway, that is not why we are here, but I will take that as a small victory.

How did we come up with the 20 per cent figure? I know that Mr Nicol kind of answered that, but, from the Government’s point of view, how was that figure arrived at?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

A review. Is that Edinburgh and Glasgow?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

My question to Mr Nicol was: what are those two cities looking to do?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

Sometimes? All the time. [Laughter.]

Governments have targets, and they are there to be shot down, are they not?

Speaking of public transport, Transport Scotland came up with a very interesting figure: it said that public transport capacity would need to increase by 222 per cent in order to achieve the 2030 target. You may say that you are making progress, but you are nowhere near 222 per cent. There needs to be quite a radical shift to public transport, does there not?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

I agree that the target is unachievable, so we should get rid of it. Do you think that there should be a target at all—that you should put a figure on it—or should you simply say, “It is our ambition to encourage people to use their cars less”? Is it not enough to say that and then to introduce measures that might achieve it, such as improving public transport?

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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

Yes. Does Gail Macgregor want to come in?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Graham Simpson

I accept that, but it is wrong, so we should not.