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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Yes. I have been looking at the menu at that fine establishment, and if you picked the most expensive item for starter, main course and dessert, you would get cold-smoked salmon at £12.95 a head, then move on to the chateaubriand, which is £16 per 100g, so if you got the minimum weight of 800g, that would be £128 for two people, then you would move on to a cheese course at £14.50 each. That all adds up to £202.90 for food, so where has the rest of the expenditure come from? Somebody should have queried the bill.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

You could have challenged it. You could have pushed back and said that the decision was inappropriate and cost far too much money. Part of the approach, which was revealed in another email to you, was that the chief operating officer who went to Harvard identified Harvard as her preferred option. She got to pick where she went. That is part of the approach that you have just said is okay, but it is not okay, is it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Mr Rathjen, you accept that you should have pushed back. You should have said, “This was unacceptable,” but you did not. That is fine: you admit that there was an error. To me, that is part of the culture that existed at the time: nobody was saying, “This is wrong.” Do you accept that point?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

“A few people”? How many?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Two or three people.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

I have one final question, convener. I know that I have had quite a long time.

Are you still sending people off to New Zealand? If so, are they flying economy or are they going business class or first class? What did they do before?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Business class?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

I am aware of the time constraints, so I promise to be brief. Auditor General, your report provides a summary of progress by the Scottish Government against the recommendations in your 2022 report. You have made a third of the recommendations in that report again, so to what extent are you satisfied with the progress that has been made?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

It seems ridiculous that we want to see progress but that, as Leigh Johnston said, it is difficult to track it. That is an absurd situation. I am not asking you to respond to that; that is my view: it is absurd.

I will ask you about something else. This came up when we were questioning NHS Forth Valley health board. It has had its problems, but it broke even because it received extra money from the Government. In effect, it was bailed out. That has happened to other boards. Therefore, all the boards have broken even but some of them have had extra money. As you said, Auditor General, there is an overreliance, as we saw with Forth Valley, on non-recurring savings. Do we have a situation that is not sustainable?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2023”

Meeting date: 21 March 2024

Graham Simpson

I will be brief, because I know that other members will want to come in, but I have a final question. Did your report look at general practice?