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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Graham Simpson

There will still be quite a gap between what you pay and what others pay.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Graham Simpson

I will ask about one more thing. In your letter, you appear to suggest that part of the problem is that prisons do not have prisoners ready on time for you. In other words, you are blaming the prisons. Is that correct?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Graham Simpson

No company can continue making those sorts of losses.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Could you see yourself getting to a point where you say that you cannot continue with that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Graham Simpson

In your letter, you say:

“It is, therefore, our firm belief that we can deliver prisoner escort services to a high standard”

You go on to say that that will be

“when the environment is supportive, and system-related issues are resolved.”

What are you basing that on, given what we have already heard and that you are making colossal losses?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Okay.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Graham Simpson

We have touched on staffing, which is clearly a key issue. We have also mentioned pay and the pay gap between what you pay and what others pay. Are you seeking to rectify that? Do you think that you will have to increase your levels of pay?

Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Graham Simpson

We have covered some really interesting ground and a number of excellent questions have been asked.

I want to pick up on some of the stuff that has been said already. We talk about setting a minimum energy efficiency standard for homes, but how can we measure that? Jamie Greene mentioned his flat. Nobody knows what I have in my house—you do not know what insulation I have. Even I do not know how thick the insulation in my house is, so how on earth can we measure all this?

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Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Describe the “stick part” in a bit more detail, please. For a lot of people, this will just pass them by. If the Parliament passes a bill on heat in buildings, that will all be very interesting, but most people will just get on with their lives and will not do anything unless—I do not like this—you force them to do something. How will you force people to do these things?

Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 28 March 2024

Graham Simpson

Well, indeed.