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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 8 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Do you know what the increase in cost is?

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Oh, blimey. Gee whiz—that is extraordinary. I was not expecting that.

I will move on to another line of questioning, after that bombshell. I want to ask you about net zero, which you mentioned earlier, and you mention it in report, of course. I ask you to look at paragraph 9 in your report and I will read out the final bullet point in that paragraph:

“The June 2023 progress report describes how some projects are considering their impact on climate change. It does not assess the overall impact projects will have on net zero targets.”

Can you explain the difference?

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Graham Simpson

You are right that we have explored this before. It is reasonable to say that the Government seems to be struggling to say how projects affect net zero.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Is the struggle that the Government is having holding up any projects?

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Moving on, I want to talk about the condition of the public sector estate. Your briefing repeats a call that you and this committee have made consistently for a consolidated account to be produced covering the devolved public sector in Scotland. What stage is the Scottish Government at in responding to that recommendation?

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Graham Simpson

That is a fair point. You also make a really good point about the use of buildings. For example, some councils have been considering closing leisure centres. However, if that happens, the NHS may turn around and say, “If you close that centre, it will impact people’s health, which will cause more problems for us.” Is that the kind of joined-up approach that should be taken? If a council is considering doing that sort of thing, should it talk to the health service?

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Graham Simpson

You are absolutely right. Sharon Dowey asked an interesting question—well, she asked lots of interesting questions—about the condition of the public sector estate. She said that the single Scottish estate programme survey is limited to only administrative buildings and not other buildings. What is the rationale behind that?

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Graham Simpson

You could do that afterwards. I am not asking you to read out all 13—that might take some time.

I note that one of the projects mentioned in exhibit 5 is the dualling of the A9. In the other three projects highlighted as examples in that exhibit, you have given figures for cost increases, but I note that you have not done the same for the A9. Is it possible to produce a figure for how much costs have increased over time from when the project was first announced?

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Graham Simpson

But in the exhibit, you give a figure of £3 billion.

Public Audit Committee

“Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Graham Simpson

How should the Government address that?