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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Graham Simpson

That is—

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Graham Simpson

That has all been really useful, and I thank everyone for contributing.

I should say that my understanding of the Metropolitan Police system is that they respond to 999 mental health calls only where there is an immediate threat to life. I am not sure how someone is meant to judge that over the phone; it seems to me to be a rather blunt system. Perhaps we can improve the way in which we deal with things.

Convener, I do not know whether I have time to ask the witnesses about the model that is used in Trieste. I do not know whether you want me to do so.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Graham Simpson

It is mentioned in the report that, in Trieste, Italy, they have set up what is essentially a new way of dealing with mental health. The system operates through a network of mental health centres that operate 24 hours a day. People do not need an appointment—they can just walk in. It has not only improved the way in which mental health is dealt with in that area; it is also cheaper than what was there before. That is not why they do it—it has just ended up that way.

You do not have to comment if you have not read that section of the report or if you do not know about the model, but if you have read it and you have any views on it, we would be keen to hear them.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Yes?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Graham Simpson

It is, and it is good to know that other people want to come in on this important question.

I was about to say that it is encouraging to hear what Derek Frew said about the project in Forth Valley—I would like to know a little bit more about that—and the discussion that is coming up on 22 November. It is great that we are examining the issue. It would be good if we could get to a system whereby, even if police are called out, they can contact somebody else who can take on the case.

Convener, I do not know who you want to bring in.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Can I come in there?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Graham Simpson

I am seeing somebody else nodding. Who is that? It is Paula Fraser, I think.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Graham Simpson

I go back to Jo Anderson. You mentioned the model in NHS England. Why are we not doing something similar? Why is NHS Scotland not doing it? Has anyone asked it to do that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Yes. If people are going to do something, whatever it is, they need to know that it is working and why it works—or why it does not work. You are billed here as the voice of experience, so tell us about your experience.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Yes. By the way, the witnesses who are online can just put up their hands or whatever they need to do online to come in—it does not all have to be Jo Anderson. However, something that Jo said struck me, because I think that it affects everyone and not just people who are suffering with mental health problems. Getting to see your GP is probably more difficult now than it ever has been.

If someone has a mental health issue—as we all know, there is a broad range of mental health issues—their first step is to get past a receptionist, who they might have to phone up to see their GP. If their GP is anything like mine, they will have to describe their condition, but they might not want to tell somebody who is not a GP that they have a mental health issue. Do witnesses think that that is putting people off even seeking help, let alone getting it?

I suppose the follow-up question is whether the GP is the best person to go to, or whether there is anywhere else that people could go.