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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 September 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I put that question to you. I throw it out to the committee. If the committee is thinking that way, it needs to consider that if we are going to do something with the regional element, we would have to look at the constituency element as well. Otherwise, it is not fair.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I am not sure that I understand that question.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Correct. It is not for me to get into individual court cases. I mentioned that particular case because it happened and serious offences were involved. To merit that somebody be jailed for six months, the crime would have to be of a sufficient seriousness. However, I do not think that we should list in the bill the offences that would be covered.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I will bring in Ben on that one, because we have covered that issue in the policy memorandum.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I suppose that it is about all of those, but, ultimately, the first stage is an MSP not performing properly or breaking the rules. The misconduct would come first, otherwise none of this applies. If people behave as they should, none of this applies. Ultimately, if the bill goes through, I would love it just to sit there and never be used, with people wondering why it is there, because everyone is behaving. But life is not like that. You know that. We are all human. At some point, somebody will misbehave, and, although the legislation would be a deterrent, somebody will fall foul of it at some point.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I understand the point that you are making very well. If we were to have a recall vote, it is inevitable that people might not be going to the place that they are used to. In a normal election, there are quite a lot of places where people go to vote, but there would be fewer under this system, so people would inevitably be asked to go somewhere different.

People could also use a postal vote, which would address the privacy issue that is a concern, particularly at the first stage, when people are voting only to say that a member should be subject to a recall vote. Postal votes could therefore be available.

If we expect people to go somewhere that they are not used to, it is a matter of communication, information and education.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I am dealing with people who fall foul of the rules. In relation to the whips, I am glad that I do not have to answer to you, Ms Mackay.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I would not recommend that, but they could do that. They could just take the huff and say, “I’m not coming in.”

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

It would be very difficult to set out in the bill a list of offences that would lead to the removal of a member, which is why I have gone for an actual term. The background to that is the case of Bill Walker, a former MSP and the only MSP whom I will name during this meeting. It was a high-profile case. He was jailed for wife beating—for exactly 12 months but not more than that, so he could not be removed. There you had somebody who was jailed for extremely serious offences but could not be removed. Although he ultimately stood down, it seemed to me to be an absurd situation, so I thought that we should perhaps look at the matter again and reduce the specified period.

I accept that different people might have different views on whether I got that right, but that is the background to that provision. I thought that it was certainly wrong that somebody who was jailed for extremely serious offences could just stay in jail for 12 months and then return to his job.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Convener, you have raised one of the issues with which I have wrestled. I have come down on one side of the argument, but I can see the other side of the argument. We might wish to explore the issue at stage 2 or in discussions with the minister.